[stu]

...or why the mini14 is a better rifle.

Having too much going on this weekend to get to the range. A friend of mine took my HBAR out to site in the scope for the ammo Ill be running through it should TSHTF. The ammo is 55gr SP, the same stuff i have loaded for my mini14s. The problem is that the HBAR would only chamber one out of every 4 or 5 rounds. He got so fed up with it after the first mag that he sited it in using 55gr FMJ because they would feed. Mind you none of my mini14s have ever had a problem cycling any ammo I've put through them. From looking at the tips of the bullets it appears that there catching on something. A few hit so hard that the bullet was pushed into the case almost half way. :eek:

Granted should TSHTF it will be a mini14 filling my hand. But if I need a precision shot out further, its the HBAR that Id like to fill that roll, due to much better accuracy etc. Any idea what I can do to fix this? Or is this a problem with the rifle that cant be solved?

[Baba Louie]

Stu,

Was the same magazine being used thruout or were different mags acting the same way? It obviously wasn't the chamber. Was the mag loaded fully each time or downloaded?
I've had that happen to me before and found the mag spring needed replacing.

Also remember that this is a rifle that needs a forward assist... May I suggest an M-1A for those "reach out and touch someone" moments. It's only your life at stake if TSHTF!

I'll stick to my Swede for those really long ones and my .30-30 for anything closer.

Adios Qweeksdraw

[tree]

Stu,
The magazine question posed by BL is one that must be answered.

Assuming he used the same mag for you handloads and the factory ammo....

Then you need to check your reloads. Having had the rare priviledge of shooting (or should I say attempting to shoot) your reloads, that is your likely culpret.

Could they be a bit too long, and as such catching on the mag?

Thats why when TSHTF, you are better to deploy and use factory ammo.

In any case, I will sacrifice $100 to relieve you of your AR-15 burden. You do not need the stress in your life of a "totally unreliable rifle". :)


Best Regards,
Tree

[Bubba]

Originally posted by tree:
<STRONG>
In any case, I will sacrifice $100 to relieve you of your AR-15 burden. You do not need the stress in your life of a "totally unreliable rifle".
Best Regards,
Tree</STRONG>

Stu! Do NOT listen to that carpet bagging politician. You know when they are lieing... their mouths are moving. He is trying to rip you off my brother.


I'll give you $150 for that HBAR and dispose of it properly. ;)

[Baba Louie]

Stu,

Since you're a Mini-14 man anyway (wish I was a mini-14) and we all know that those darned old HBAR's are Heavy and as you obviously have faulty magazines as well, I'll up the bid to $175; final offer.
Stick to that nice mini-14 and I'll try to bear the burden of that awful black Non PC assault rifle.
The things I do for (new found) friends. (sigh)

But I would let you visit it when you come out to Las Vegas.

Adios Qweeksdraw :D

[stu]

The ammo was run through 5 different 20 round mags, and I haven't had any feed problems with these mags before. Nor were there any feed problems with the FMJ that was run through them after the feed problems.

Tree- The ammo is Remington factory Soft Point. Besides how many times do I have to explain that 45 ammo to ya? That was loaded just for you so you wouldn't hurt yourself shooting a 45. I know how limp wristed you've gotten with them 25 autos your used to, and didn't want to see you get hurt shooting a mans round. :D

I hate to break it to all of you, but a "true" friend locally has offered me $200 for the rifle, and $1 a piece for all the hi cap mags. :p

[tree]

Stu,
I think the problem has been identified.
The Soft Point ammo is failing to feed. The FMJ feeds fine.
All of the above using the same magazines.

I have no experience shooting soft point 223. As such I do not know if it is a problem specific to your AR, or all AR's.

My suggestion is stop shooting Soft Point ammo in your AR.

If your interest is longer range, I am sure that there are perhaps better bullets for that task. While AR's have dominated the high power matches of late, it is due to longer heavier grain bullets being used. To effectively shoot the 600 yd range, bullets are loaded singularly because of the overall length being too long to fit in a mag.

The above is mentioned to point out the need for a different bullet other than the 55 gr soft point.

I suggest limiting your shooting to under 300 yds, or picking a 30 caliber weapon such as the M1 or M1A1.

Now, as it relates to the local friend that has offered $200 + $1 for each hi cap mag, I think he has taken great pitty on you and offered far too much money. You can not call yourself a "real friend" by taking his overly geneous offer.

As such, I stand by my $100 offer, but I will meet the $1 per hi cap mag price, just to show you a true friends compassion. This offer is fair. It is a win win situation and solution for us both :) :D

[stu]

Originally posted by tree:
<STRONG>Stu,
I think the problem has been identified.
The Soft Point ammo is failing to feed.</STRONG>Tree- What's the word Im looking for here... Ohh yeah. DUH!!! I know it isn't feeding Soft point ammo. That's what I wanna fix. I have a bunch of Hornady TAP ammo that feeds flawlessly, but at the current time I only have 120 rounds of it, while I have a case of the SP. This is why I want to zero in the scope with the SP. That and 55gr ammo is much more likely to be found should TSHTF. Remember one of the things that sets apart from the terrorists is that we care about innocent people.

[tree]

Oh Stu... my Christian Brother.... you have missed the point!

Your horrendously unreliable AR rifle does not feed soft point ammo.
There is no fix for your rifle beyond selling it to me. :D

Of course, another viable option is to have you send me your remaining 55 gr soft point ammo (shipping prepaid of course) :D
That way I can test the ammo in my collection of ARs. If there is a problem feeding in mine, then it is an inherant AR design flaw. I will keep the ammo to save you further frustration.

If there is no problem feeding in mine, we know its your horrendously faulty AR. In that case, I'll keep the ammo because you really have no need for it anyway.

In anycase, I just have your interest at heart. This you can depend upon.

:rolleyes:

[pack_rat]

Stu,

If you are going to use expanding bullets in an AR
use hollowpoints. The feed ramp will ding
the exposed lead of an SP and cause misfeeds.
An HP bullet is almost as pointed as FMJ and works nicely.

p_r
===
"Save your fancy come-ons for the Okies."
-Hank Hill

[stu]

Tree- Gee I don't know what to say. What an under welming offer. Id consider sending you the ammo, COD of course. But it works flawlessly in the mighty mini14s. I know I know I should send you the rifle so you can test it out and evaluate it for a couple of years, and then of course disposing of it if it truly is a flawed weapon. The problem with this is that your used to Bushmaster ARs, and this is a Colt, and the minor differences might confuse a purest such as yourself. I could never ask you to jeopardize your family and yourself with imperfection like that when we have so much about to happen. It looks like I need to spend more time at the loading bench putting together something nastier then FMJ this week, and get my butt to the range, and get that scope tuned. I was hoping to be able to use the same ammo in both the HBAR and the mini14s without the worry of keeping ammo cans separate.

Pack Rat- Yeah, it seems like Im going to have to supplement the ammo supply with something like a HP or nylon tipped for the HBAR. My SP1 hand cycles the SP just fine, but then the chamber isn't as tight as it is on the other AR.

[PreserveFreedom]

AR's have trouble because they are not Mini 14's. Sure, my Mini may not be able to put 30 rounds through a dime at 300 yards, but that's not what I bought a semi-automatic rifle for.

[stu]

Originally posted by PreserveFreedom:
<STRONG>AR's have trouble because they are not Mini 14's.</STRONG>I couldn't have said it better. :D

[Carston]

Yeppers...SP aren't gonna feed and HP aren't nessacary or expanding bullets aren't needed.
If you ever looking at ballistic reports on Mil Surp ammo you would see that on impact the round rotates end over end causing the FMJ to fracture at the Canneture fragment into between 8 and 15 small pieces going off in a number of directions. No fixing the internal bleeding thus caused.

Get you a case or so of South African or Portugeese and you should be set....

Then again just send them here and they can jion my 4 and maybe soon to be #5...If I don't go crazy and start looking at 50 BMG's :eek:


Carston