Phony Warriors


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03-23-2005, 07:40 PM
LISA HOFFMAN

- On the front lines in Afghanistan, Sgt. Thomas Larez was said to have braved enemy fire to pull an injured soldier to safety, taking two shots to his torso and shrapnel in his thigh as he did.

Though bloodied and temporarily blinded by a concussion grenade, Larez then killed seven Taliban fighters and helped capture several others.

It was a compelling account of heroism hailed in a December 2001 Dallas newscast based on a "Marine advisory" about the battle that Larez said his commanding officer wrote.

Two days later, the station retracted the story. Not only was the "advisory" bogus, apparently concocted by Larez, but the Marine had never even left the United States, much less distinguished himself in combat overseas.

With that fraud, Larez became one of the first phony heroes of America's war on terrorism to be exposed. He was far from the last.

- In Rockport, Texas, Andrew Isbell, clad in an Army sergeant's uniform, told jurors at his drug-possession trial in August that he had earned the two Bronze Stars on his chest in Iraq in August, along with a Purple Heart for a recent bullet wound to the shoulder.

Portraying himself as an infantryman on medical leave from his dangerous patrol job in Baghdad, Isbell was a sympathetic figure who ultimately was acquitted.

But after a juror later raised questions about Isbell's uniform, investigators found that he had actually been a food-service private who never saw combat, was not wounded, won no decorations and had been discharged from the Army after being absent without leave for 61 days.

Isbell faces perjury charges.

- Home on leave last August in Maysville, Ky., Army Spc. Chastity Turner was honored at a Veterans of Foreign Wars picnic and lauded in a local newspaper for her calm under pressure during two convoy ambushes she survived in Iraq.

"An IED (improvised explosive device, or makeshift bomb) went off and it blew out the windows of the trucks," Turner told the Ledger Independent. "It's exciting and it gets your adrenaline going."

Only problem: Turner never left Kuwait during her deployment. She was busted in her lie by her company commander, who had read the story online and contacted the paper, which published a retraction.

- Justin McCauley regaled his Roseville, Calif., family with his derring-do as an elite Navy SEAL in 2002 in Afghanistan, showing off his Navy jacket with a patch signifying his membership in the storied commando outfit and recounting the close call he survived when a grenade exploded near him and sprayed him with shrapnel.

"The second it happened, that hit me: 'Wow, we're at war,' " McCauley was quoted as saying in the Sacramento Bee newspaper.

But, like Turner, McCauley had made the whole thing up, the newspaper later reported. Not only was he not a SEAL, the aviation ordnanceman had never left the deck of the USS Kitty Hawk aircraft carrier where he loaded U.S. warplanes with bombs.

- Sarah Kenney, of Grand Junction, Colo., allegedly made up a heroic husband. Kenney told a local support group for soldiers' families that her husband, Spc. Jonathan Kenney, had been killed when he shielded an Iraqi child from flying bullets only to be hit by one himself.

In fact, there was no such soldier, and Kenney was charged last month with criminal impersonation.

To the phalanx of mostly volunteer fraud-busters dedicated to outing wannabe warriors, it is no surprise that bogus soldiers claiming exploits in Iraq and Afghanistan are now surfacing.

"It's a phenomenon of every single war that's ever, ever been fought," said B.G. Burkett, co-author of the award-winning book "Stolen Valor."

He and Mary Schantag, who with her husband Chuck spend hours each day hunting down fake claims, are certain the number of Iraq and Afghanistan service frauds will only mushroom as time goes on.

Mary Schantag, who helps run the POWNetwork.org clearinghouse that also investigates non-POW frauds, says reports of phony Vietnam-era heroes have reached epidemic proportions.

When the Schantags began outing fakes in 1998, they had 22 cases. Last year, they had more than 2,000. There are now at least twice as many pretend Vietnam POWs documented than the number of U.S. troops who truly were prisoners.

"The more we expose, the more get reported," Schantag said, lamenting the fact that, despite the criminal violations committed by the poseurs, overtaxed police and other authorities simply don't have the time or resources to pursue more than a handful.

She and Burkett also warn that high-tech tools are a boon to the bad guys, who can use them to easily create fake military records that can pass for the real thing.

They are outraged, as well, that many of these phonies have snookered the government into providing them with benefits, while others are recording their made-up war exploits for assorted oral-history projects across the country.

"It's so sad," Schantag said.

These activists characterize the majority of the fakes as people with low self-esteem who create a heroic persona to inflate their image. "Being one changes everything about his life. The medals say he is not only brave but also loyal, trustworthy, honest," said Burkett, a Vietnam vet with an ordinary record like that of most who served at the time.

The rest are generally cons looking for quick bucks or other advantages. For Jim Johnson, it was romance that he apparently was seeking. Though his Navy service lasted just two years in the mid-1970s, Johnson portrayed himself to scores of women via an Internet dating site as a Navy SEAL now fighting in Iraq. He allegedly asked many to marry him.

An outfit called Veriseal, dedicated to identifying SEAL imposters, determined that Johnson had never been a Navy commando and was never in Iraq - or even in the service. Instead, he was found to be working for an insurance company in Rocky Mount, N.C.

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7.62mmFMJ
03-23-2005, 09:20 PM
:angry: :mad: :(

Popeye
03-23-2005, 10:49 PM
Wow! They are kind of sad, really. Sorry people.

It looks like Kerry has a lot of company.

si6
03-23-2005, 11:40 PM
That just pizzes me off and all vets should feel the same way:mad::mad::mad: damm frauds:mad:

Popeye
03-23-2005, 11:52 PM
many of these phonies have snookered the government into providing them with benefits,
In light of my experiences with the VA I find this statement difficult to believe.

The VA goes out of its way to deny benefits. Everything is double, triple and quadruple checkled. Even then denials are, initially, the rule. Several appeals are generally necessary before benefits are approved.

Popeye
03-24-2005, 12:18 AM
all vets should feel the same way
For some reason this statement bothers me.

These pathetic clowns deserve my scorn, not my hatred. It takes too much energy to hate them. Hell, it tales too much energy to scorn them. I ignore them.

Failures live in the past, revel in the now and ognore the future. Successes live in the now, plan for the future and learn from the past.

7.62mmFMJ
03-24-2005, 12:34 AM
You are being profound tonight Popeye!

Popeye
03-24-2005, 01:59 AM
Nah, just deep...or something like that. Full of it?

Antlurz
03-24-2005, 03:03 AM
Popeye and I are usually pretty close on thinking, but I find myself at odds on this topic.

I can't just live and let live about phonies trying to claim they were among those who fought and died. I can understand Popeye, in that normally, I kind of may not approve, but still try to cling to the live and let live as long as my toes aren't being squashed. I believe that is what he is saying. But these clowns, trying to build themselves a pedestal on the blood and flesh of those who actually did go.... it upsets me greatly.

No hard feelings, Sir...we'll just have to agree to disagree in this one. :up:

Ron

si6
03-24-2005, 04:07 AM
hey popeye

question for ya .... did you misenterpert my post..? my feelings on the phonies are that of total disgust..to think that they are playing "hero" when they where not even there or close to the front...

smells like a line of bs to me..

RED DOG-40
03-24-2005, 06:13 AM
I'll agree with Popeye on this. It's not worth the BP rise and stress of being so angry at these low life wannabes. They'll get their dues somewhere down the road."What goes around, comes around"...

Marinesg1012
03-24-2005, 06:57 AM
While I will not condone this sort of thing, I can understand it.

Last summer when I was home, my aunt told a coupel of guys that i was a Marine that had just returned from overseas. The first thing they asked was if I had been to Iraq or Afghan, after I said no they just walked away. Doesn't matter I spent 18 months in a communist country protecting the only and most likely American target in the entire area, not only from aggression but also from Inteligence gathering oprations.

Not trying to toot my own horn cause I could care less what people think but it is kind of disheartning when you experiance that kind of reaction.

Though I know it was a better return than the gents that came back 30 years ago.

RED DOG-40
03-24-2005, 07:05 AM
Hold your head HIGH Marine, it doesn't matter if you're guarding the latrine. You don't have to be at point to be a "hero". The fact that you are doing your job for the U.S. as a soldier is all that matters. Everyone has a mission/job to do and if one or more were neglected then the "Machine" would not keep running.....:troops:....:salute:

si6
03-24-2005, 07:14 AM
what red dog said.....

dont matter if your a embassy pouge or a front line grunt.. your still a marine and you will always be a marine!!!

and this comin from a former army mech....what is this world comin to????;)

Marinesg1012
03-24-2005, 07:24 AM
I do hold my head up high,. I know what I do, I also know there are some unsatisfactory jobs in the Military.

Just for the info I am this Embassies Quick reaction force, no matter what the hell happens I can deal with it. ;)

We ARE NOT like in the movies where we stand in our Blues Alphas all day outside.
Also if we were not in the Embassy certian Gov't agencies, who shall remain nameless, would pull thier people from the Embassy.

si6
03-24-2005, 08:27 AM
Adam

You know i was just jabbin at ya on bein a pouge... i know what you do and i thank you for doin it.. your servin the country the same as all the other marines,sailors,airpersons,and army soldiers.

It is just not too many people realise what you do for your country. your on a different battlefield than the rest of the country is used to seein.:up:

:up::up: to ya MARINE!!

Marinesg1012
03-24-2005, 08:30 AM
Ok ok that is you guys are making me blush.

Back to those *******s that try to play killer commandos

Vibe
03-24-2005, 09:01 AM
Ok ok that is you guys are making me blush.

Back to those *******s that try to play killer commandos
We've got one at work that makes the claims to have been a SEAL. Oh he's got the bullet hole scars to indicat that he saw combat - but like the Marine Gunny that also works with us has said "He just doen't have the SEAL mentality". I have to agree. He's the type I over look - the REMFs that claim hero status are another matter. But I didn't volunteer for cannon fodder duty in '74 after high school, and my number didn't come up. Once it looked like it was again OK to enlist I was told I was too old. Bummer. But I have 2 of my good friends from High school whose numbers DID come up, and I've always had the highest respect for what THEY did - as I do for those of you on these boards who have served.

7.62mmFMJ
03-24-2005, 09:06 AM
Hey, you guys. Get a room :D Are you going to take long showers together in the wee hours of the morning?

Marinesg1012
03-24-2005, 09:08 AM
Not with me he isnt but all you army guys on here who knows :dunno:

Popeye
03-24-2005, 09:43 AM
Rule of thumb. If a man or woman claims to be a hero, they aren't. This does not pertain just to military service. Look closely at the motives of those who claim heroism.

Marinesg1012
03-24-2005, 09:44 AM
:up: :up:

7.62mmFMJ
03-24-2005, 09:59 AM
Not with me he isnt but all you army guys on here who knows :dunno:

At least the Army does not spend tim on ships with Squids :D

Marinesg1012
03-24-2005, 10:01 AM
Squids dont count as males though, you should know that :D

Popeye
03-24-2005, 10:01 AM
:funnypost
Two of them, right in a row.

7.62mmFMJ
03-24-2005, 10:03 AM
Hermaphrodites? I must confess that I never verified :D

Marinesg1012
03-24-2005, 10:06 AM
I wouldn't know either BUT I know there is a chief here we can ask :D :D

Blammer
03-24-2005, 11:03 AM
Squids dont count as males though, you should know that :D

Corpsman UP!!! :neer:

As for the Liars, Cheats & Drama-Queens that do these brags, they are an insult to our combat vets and to any other member of the armed services who served, stood their watches and survived the unnatural existence of life in the armed services. Most of us who served now look back at our duty as FUN but seldom waste much of our civilian time BRAGGING about it!... except among other vets, ;) Our local Vets Hall is probably the biggest accumulation of lying blowhards in the county, mostly REMF's on some kind of disability, but as Popeye said, if they are drawing any kind of service-based disability, they had to proove their claims. :)

A few phrases to keep in mind when confronted with BS'rs
of this nature:
Low Self-Esteem
Substance Abuse
Alcaholic Confabulation

:down: :down: :down: :mad:

Marinesg1012
03-24-2005, 11:08 AM
Corps Man dont count as squids they bleed green :D

dipodomys
03-24-2005, 01:25 PM
Right on Popeye if they claim to be they're not. Just ask John Kerry.

NavyChief
03-24-2005, 01:33 PM
Squids dont count as males though, you should know that :DYa' really don't wanna go there jarhead. (MARINE = My Ass Rides In Navy Equipment) And let's see - USMC? Their civilian boss is the Secretary of the Marines, right? No? Secretary of the Navy?!?! You mean there is no Department of the Marines? They fall under the Navy? Nah. That can't be right... Have a nice day. :D

Antlurz
03-24-2005, 01:45 PM
I threw a Marine off the Anacostia Street bridge in Washington DC once. The little bugger really could swim! :D :D :D

Hooda thunk it? http://showcase.netins.net/web/antlurz/rotf.gif

Ron

Blammer
03-24-2005, 01:53 PM
I threw a Marine off the Anacostia Street bridge in Washington DC once. The little bugger really could swim! :D :D :D

Hooda thunk it? http://showcase.netins.net/web/antlurz/rotf.gif

Ron

***It's a wonder the 'little bugger' didn't prove that Marines CAN TOO WALK on WATER! :D :ohyeah: :clap: :rotf:

NavyChief
03-24-2005, 02:34 PM
***It's a wonder the 'little bugger' didn't prove that Marines CAN TOO WALK on WATER! :D :ohyeah: :clap: :rotf:That's only Gunnys can do that (must have sumthin' to do with most Gunnys choosing to go through USN Chiefs' initiation. :D )

Antlurz
03-24-2005, 07:48 PM
***It's a wonder the 'little bugger' didn't prove that Marines CAN TOO WALK on WATER! :D :ohyeah: :clap: :rotf:

I think the problem was, there was too much oil and grease in the water. He almost got er done, but kept slipping and falling down.

:D :D :D

Ron

Marinesg1012
03-25-2005, 04:31 AM
Ya' really don't wanna go there jarhead. (MARINE = My Ass Rides In Navy Equipment) And let's see - USMC? Their civilian boss is the Secretary of the Marines, right? No? Secretary of the Navy?!?! You mean there is no Department of the Marines? They fall under the Navy? Nah. That can't be right... Have a nice day. :D


MK BUT the most senior military person in the Join Chiefs is a MARINE, that caused a lot of contriversy becuase we are always suppose to be under direct control of the navy. (They must think we will take over :D :D )

NavyChief
03-25-2005, 04:43 AM
Yes, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn now and again...

Vibe
03-25-2005, 04:51 AM
MK BUT the most senior military person in the Joint Chiefs is a MARINE, that caused a lot of contriversy becuase we are always suppose to be under direct control of the navy. (They must think we will take over :D :D )
There is some truth to that. The Marines are the only branch that the President does NOT have to first have the consent of Congress to deploy. So it's not so much that anyone is afraid of the Marines taking over as it is that of the President going rogue with them.

Marinesg1012
03-25-2005, 04:56 AM
Presidents 911 force,

Yes, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn now and again...
I met the guy, he seemed quite smart for a squirrel :P

Vibe
03-25-2005, 05:10 AM
Presidents 911 force,

I met the guy, he seemed quite smart for a squirrel :PMust mean Bush. I met Clinton when he was Governor here....Smart is NOT one of the words I would have used to describe him. IDtenT didn't even associate the used hypodermics under his jogging shoes as an indication that that particular neighborhood MIGHT have a drug use problem...and there were a bunch of hypos on the sidewalk. He seemed surprised when I pointed tham out to him.

Marinesg1012
03-25-2005, 05:30 AM
No i meant the Highest ranking Marine General :D

Vibe
03-25-2005, 05:42 AM
No i meant the Highest ranking Marine General :DOK. I misread.

Marinesg1012
03-25-2005, 05:46 AM
No worries, never met Pres bush yet, he says he is comming her later in the year so i might have the chance but I would rather be out of here before than.

Never had any desire to meet Clinton

RED DOG-40
03-25-2005, 06:53 AM
Meeting Billy-boy would be unproductive for you but, Hillary would be the one you could possibly invite for tea and have a sit down coversation to try and straighten her out. I hear she likes the young soldier type to make her feel like a ..errr well ..woman....:psycho:...:lool::lool::lool::lool:..

Marinesg1012
03-25-2005, 06:58 AM
:puke:

RED DOG-40
03-25-2005, 07:03 AM
Oh c'mon..think of the publicity.......:rotf::rotf::rotf:...:lool::lool::lool::lool:.

Marinesg1012
03-25-2005, 07:10 AM
There is no way I would want my name in the same sentence with that senator.

The visual image of even shaking hands with that woman disturbs me, anything more than that would put me into a comma

Vibe
03-25-2005, 06:41 PM
Hillary would be the one you could possibly invite for tea and have a sit down coversation to try and straighten her out. I hear she likes the young soldier type to make her feel like a ..errr well ..woman....:psycho:...:lool::lool::lool::lool:..
I'd be sort of doubtful on both counts.

Antlurz
03-25-2005, 06:59 PM
From what I hear, she might be persuaded to party on down with a young soldier if said soldier was of a tender yourng nubile female persuasion......

Ron

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