No nation should have nukes


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Marinesg1012
03-30-2005, 10:25 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&u=/ap/20050330/ap_on_re_us/nuclear_fears&printer=1
Poll: No Nation Should Have Nuke Weapons


Wed Mar 30, 6:40 PM ET
By WILL LESTER, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - Though the Soviet Union is gone, the nuclear fears that fueled the Cold War haven't disappeared. Most Americans think nuclear weapons are so dangerous that no country should have them, and a majority believe it's likely that terrorists or a nation will use them within five years.
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The Bush administration repeatedly warns about nuclear weapons and is using diplomacy — and force — to try to limit the threat.
Still, North Korea claims it has nuclear weapons now and is making more. Iran is widely believed to be within five years of developing such weapons. And security for the nuclear material scattered across the countries of the old Soviet Union remains a major concern.
Lurking in the background is the threat that worries U.S. officials the most — terrorists' desire to acquire nuclear weapons.
All that helps explain why 52 percent of Americans think a nuclear attack by one country against another is somewhat or very likely by 2010, according to an AP-Ipsos poll. Fifty-three percent think a nuclear attack by terrorists is at least somewhat likely.
Two-thirds of Americans say no nation should have nuclear weapons, including the U.S., and most of the others say no more countries should get them.
"I worry about Pakistan and India," said Barbara Smith, who lives in a Philadelphia suburb. "I don't know what's going to happen with Iran, don't know what's going to happen with North Korea."
Smith said she wants to see the spread of nuclear weapons stopped. "It's too dangerous, too many things can go wrong," she said.
About one-third of those in an ABC News-Washington Post poll in the mid-1980s — when the Cold War was hot — thought there would be a nuclear war in the next few years between the two superpowers.
The AP-Ipsos poll found 44 percent of those surveyed said they frequently or occasionally worry about a terrorist attack using nuclear weapons, while 55 percent said they rarely or never do.
"Terrorists are more likely to use a nuclear weapon because they are unpredictable," said John Saint of Syracuse, N.Y., who works for a trucking company.
Susan Winter of McLean, Va., says her awareness of the nuclear threat doesn't cause her to fret constantly.
"I'm concerned, but I don't worry about it," Winter said. "I'm not a nail biter. I don't lose sleep over it."
Fears about the use of a nuclear weapon are pretty evenly spread across all age groups. But a generational divide emerges when Americans are asked whether they approve of the United States' decision to drop atomic bombs on Japan in 1945.
Six in 10 Americans 65 and older approve of the use of the atomic bomb at the end of World War II, while six in 10 from 18 to 29 disapprove.
Albert Kauzmann, a 57-year-old resident of Norcross, Ga., said using the bomb in 1945 "was the best way they had of ending" World War II.
Overall, 47 percent of those surveyed approved of dropping the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki while 46 percent disapproved, according to the poll of 1,000 conducted by Ipsos-Public Affairs from March 21-23 with a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.
The United States, Britain, Russia, France and China have nuclear weapons, and Pakistan and India have also conducted nuclear tests. Many believe Israel has nuclear weapons, but that country has never acknowledged it. North Korea claimed in February that it had nuclear weapons.
The threat from nuclear terrorism is greatest, analysts say, because terrorists with nuclear weapons would feel little or no hesitance about using them. That's why those who monitor nuclear proliferation are so concerned about securing weapons stockpiles and dismantling weapons as quickly as possible.
"We're in the race of our lives," said Joe Cirincione of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, "and we're not running fast enough."
Another perfect example of people trying to bury their heads in the sand; the bomb has been invented, you cannot un-invent something. The only thing that prevents a country from nuking us is the knowledge that we are the only country to ever use not one but two nukes on another country, and we will do it again.

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Antlurz
03-30-2005, 10:56 PM
...and the fact that whatever they can throw at us, we can throw a hundredfold back.

Ron

BobD
03-30-2005, 11:06 PM
I hope we have the stomach to throw them back, even one fold. :(

Marinesg1012
03-30-2005, 11:14 PM
I bet we would, the quiet majority would become very vocal.

7.62mmFMJ
03-30-2005, 11:30 PM
No other nation in the world has the moral authority to be the sheepdog. We can back that up with plenty of force at various levels including the fusion and fission options. We probably even have mass lasers by now.

This is the same old tired argument of the antis. If only the world was free of weapons we could all sing and dance and play. Welcome to the real world. The toothpaste is out of the tube. Fortunately we have a whole bunch more toothpaste, and much stonger, and with excellent delivery systems. No nation-state will challenge us, and most nation states are held in check by us.

The big wild card, of course, are these murdering bastids with jihad on their mind. They operate for no nation-state and could care less what we do to "their people" The other wild cards are the desperate (North Korea), the crazy (Iran), the pissed (India/Pakistan), the strategists (China), and whatever break-away republic from the former USSR has nuclear arms.

It is not a matter of "if" but "when" nuclear arms are used again. Are we ready? NO. While we keep pissing away money on social programs and the war on drugs and the study of the mating habits of the snail darter, the primary function of the federal government, security, is starved. We have porous borders, open ports, and numerous other weaknesses where a nuclear device could be transported in. We are developing star wars to keep the nation-states at bay; however, any terrorist with intent could probably smuggle a device into this country.

God help us.

wildames
03-31-2005, 12:46 AM
Nukes help to keep the peace....and they've done a fairly good job of it IMO.

Antlurz
03-31-2005, 01:35 AM
For my money, 75 percent of our budget could be spent on defense every year.

You say we can't afford it? Fine. Start dumping useless programs. I believe that would include about 70 percent of the programs we presently have.

And then sit down and have some REALLY serious talks about how to handle our OWN government, should it decide to gleefully throw our weight around because of the investment we have made oun our security. Therein lies the problem. Inevitably, some elected crazy would decide all that power rightfully was at his beck and command and bad things would begin to happen. Our own defense should be ruthless, yet it should have a short restraining chain. Awsome power with a normally short leash. Of course, a mechanism would need to be present, as it is now, to project as necessary, but with narrow boundaries. But devastatingly driven when put into motion....

If one goes to war, one should intend to win. Nothing else is acceptable, and PC can double bunk at the Berkeley Band Camp next time around..

Ron

Marinesg1012
03-31-2005, 01:38 AM
Percentage wise we spend very little on defense,

We need to cut the social programs no matter what, if we use some of the money to boost our defense I will feel better, or just give it back to the tax payer so he can spend it how he sees fit.

I pretend that all the money I pay in taxes goes to dropping bombs on Iraqi';s and afgahns, it allows me sleep better at night.

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