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Antlurz
04-16-2005, 05:13 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/15/international/middleeast/15graves.html?ei=5065&en=c85059724268b94e&ex=1114228800&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print&position=

Iraqis Find Graves Thought to Hold Hussein's Victims
By ROBERT F. WORTH

BAGHDAD, Iraq, April 14 - Investigators have discovered several mass graves in southern Iraq that are believed to contain the bodies of people killed by Saddam Hussein's government, including one estimated to hold 5,000 bodies, Iraqi officials say.

The graves, discovered over the past three months, have not yet been dug up because of the risks posed by the continuing insurgency and the lack of qualified forensic workers, said Bakhtiar Amin, Iraq's interim human rights minister. But initial excavations have substantiated the accounts of witnesses to a number of massacres. If the estimated body counts prove correct, the new graves would be among the largest in the grim tally of mass killings that have gradually come to light since the fall of Mr. Hussein's government two years ago. At least 290 grave sites containing the remains of some 300,000 people have been found since the American invasion two years ago, Iraqi officials say.

Forensic evidence from some graves will feature prominently in the trials of Mr. Hussein and the leaders of his government. The trials are to start this spring.

One of the graves, near Basra, in the south, appears to contain about 5,000 bodies of Iraqi soldiers who joined a failed uprising against Mr. Hussein's government after the 1991 Persian Gulf war. Another, near Samawa, is believed to contain the bodies of 2,000 members of the Kurdish clad led by Massoud Barzani.

As many as 8,000 men and boys from the clan disappeared in 1983 after being rounded up in northern Iraq by security forces at the command of Ali Hassan al-Majid, widely known as Chemical Ali. It remains unclear, however, how the victims ended up in the south.

Investigators have also discovered the remains of 58 Kuwaitis spread across several sites, including what appears to be a family of two adults and five children who were crushed by a tank, Mr. Amin said. At least 605 Kuwaitis disappeared at the time of the first gulf war, and before the latest graves were discovered, fewer than 200 had been accounted for, he added.

A smaller site was discovered near Nasiriya earlier this week. Arabic satellite television showed images of residents digging up remains there.

Mr. Amin declined to give the exact locations of the graves, saying it could endanger witnesses to the massacres and anyone working at the sites.

One obstacle to exhuming bodies has been an absence of DNA labs and forensic anthropologists in Iraq, Mr. Amin said.

In the aftermath of Mr. Hussein's fall, thousands of Iraqis overran mass grave sites, digging for their relatives' remains with backhoes, shovels, even their bare hands. A number of sites were looted, making identification of victims difficult, said Hanny Megally, Middle East director for the International Center for Transitional Justice.

The American occupation authority, after some initial hesitation, began classifying grave sites, and international teams began traveling to the sites in 2003 to conduct assessments or exhumations. But toward the end of 2004, rising violence led nearly all the teams to abandon their work.

Only one site has been fully examined, a grave of Kurdish victims in northern Iraq, Mr. Megally said. That work was overseen by the Regime Crimes Liaison Office, which is gathering evidence for the trials of Mr. Hussein and his deputies.

The interim Iraqi government, working with the United Nations, has drawn up plans for a National Center for Missing and Disappeared Persons that would have authority over all aspects of the process, from exhumations to providing assistance to victims' families.

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wildames
04-16-2005, 08:57 AM
chuckle.....

re:"As many as 8,000 men and boys from the clan disappeared in 1983..."


That one belongs to Reagan...just about the time he sent Rummy over to do the handshake and give Saddam funding/weapons to give Iran headaches.....

Don't get me wrong....sure it was the thing to do at the time....but to cry about it now is a bit theatrical and hypocritical (for ALL of us) IMO. We knew who and what Saddam was every step of the way.....

......just 2 cents. ;)

Popeye
04-16-2005, 12:39 PM
chuckle?

I see nothing funny about mass murders, nor do I see the point in sniveling over who was "responsible". Saddam is responsible.

One man, with intestinal fortitude, had him removed from power. One man accepted the risk of censure and has withstood the slings and arrows, launched by bedwetting liberals such as yourself, to ensure that free elections would be held in Iraq and to plant the seeds of democracy there. Unfortunately for those such as yourself, those seeds seem to be spreading in the area.

This man was President Bush. If, as you claim, then President Reagan was "responsible" for Saddam's actions, then President Bush has righted a wrong committed by the US. Give him credit.

I become tired of your constant faultfinding. I truly believe that if Conservative angels were to suddenly defecate twenty dollar gold pieces on your property, you would find something to snivel and whine about.

wildames
04-16-2005, 05:10 PM
That's the Pop I know and love! :up: :wine: :blowkiss: :grouphug: :XOXO: :smooch: :fhug: :drummer:


edit....gotta say it....let's see if I can quote you correctly now......

"The truth can hurt." ;)

Antlurz
04-16-2005, 05:22 PM
I thought you and BobD were an item? He won't be happy.

Ron

wildames
04-16-2005, 05:23 PM
"Torn between two lovers....." :D

Marinesg1012
04-16-2005, 09:31 PM
Ditto Popeye (but you said it better than I could)

BobD
04-17-2005, 10:43 AM
I thought you and BobD were an item? He won't be happy.

Ron
Typical http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/images/smilies/stfu.gif wildames http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/images/smilies/surrender.gif lunacy and drivel, Ron. I am tired of responding to Chuckles mindless meanderings. :down: He is permanently crossed off my dance list, for now at least. :D Popeye is a better articulate waltzer anyways :up:, as I am less diplomatic and forgiving towards cowards, traitors, and America-bashers. http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/images/smileys/hang.gif

Marinesg1012
04-17-2005, 10:47 PM
It is typical that he twist the topic away from the root of the post and just blames those damn republicans.

What about the bodies from 92-2000?

wildames
04-17-2005, 10:52 PM
re:"What about the bodies from 92-2000?"

You expect a Dem to clean up a Republican mess?....nah...like Pop said....Dubya took that job. ;)


Don't take me too serious Marine...someone has to be "devil's advocate" sometimes.....keeps the juices flowing and all that. :P

Marinesg1012
04-17-2005, 11:00 PM
playing Devils advocate is one thing, not listening to any arguments is another.

(I take everything to seriously. just ask anyone, I don't laugh at funny movies and if you tell a joke I will disect it before I laugh at it. )

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