[guerrilla1138]

Some of you may remember that for several years I posted links to another board that dealt with the topics of self defense, and for a time was even one of the staff over there. Those who paid attention probably know that a couple months back that board imploded, and the entire staff walked away to create our own show.
Well, we've done it. The past is old news, and there are great things ahead for this new resource and community.
I'd like those of you who used to be on the other board, and everyone else at FFF, to Total Protection Interactive:
http://www.totalprotectioninteractive.com/forum


(Before anyone freaks, I'm still an FFF staffer, and member and am around regularly, I just spread the love around a bit ;) and hope to see some fellow FFF friendly faces wherever I go :D )

[JCM298]

I went to your site and this is the very first thread I saw when I checked Combative Firearms:

http://www.totalprotectioninteractive.com/forum/showthread.php?t=126

With a title like that, I didn't even read the thread. Language like that my fit a certain type of forum, but it does not belong in a shooters forum. I will not be visiting your site again,

John

[guerrilla1138]

I went to your site and this is the very first thread I saw when I checked Combative Firearms:

http://www.totalprotectioninteractive.com/forum/showthread.php?t=126

With a title like that, I didn't even read the thread. Language like that my fit a certain type of forum, but it does not belong in a shooters forum. I will not be visiting your site again,

John
Well John, first let me say thank you for linking directly to the thread that offended you so! Its an excellent thread, for those who can get past a knee-jerk reaction and actually read it - and it contains some very good information. But, I guess you'll never know that. Oh well, thanks for pointing others to it!

I do respect your opinion, but I'd like to pose a question to you, John - If hard language on the internet offends you enough that you cant stomach it or simply ignore it, what kind of reaction do you think you will have in a real, life or death, encounter when some thug is screaming obscenities at you while he tries to kill you?
If you cant deal with it on the internet, how in the world are you going to overcome being directly assualted with it during an attack?
My belief is that you wont. Plenty of people on the internet go off about being offended by hard language and cannot deal with it, and my feeling is the same for all of them.
If hard language on the internet upsets you enough you wont read it, enough that you have to post and say you refuse to read it, then in the real world when some killer is screaming it at you, it will be just one more thing to HIS advantage, that lets him dominate you and win the fight.

You may be right, the gun glub, here on FFF (a mostly "shooters" forum) is not the place for foul language - I agree to that - but when you're talking about real world defensive skills, training to survive life or death attacks(as that site is)? There is a place for that language - its part of the street, and if you cant hack it OFF the street, you surely cant hack it ON the street. And thats a problem.

[Rabbi]

You phrased it differently than I would have, but said the same thing, Morgan.

It's on the street, it's everywhere, like it or not, you cut yourself off from good info by plugging your ears.

Here-NO

There-YES

Rabbi

[RED DOG-40]

I must be hardened 'cause that didn't even phase me.
Looks to be a good one John, as long as ya don't get a bunch of ya-hoo know it alls (ex: gun kid) on there.... :up:

[guerrilla1138]

I must be hardened 'cause that didn't even phase me.
Looks to be a good one John, as long as ya don't get a bunch of ya-hoo know it alls (ex: gun kid) on there.... :up:
As a staff member over there I can assure you, no gunkids allowed. :D

[JCM298]

guerrilla1138,

Having been an LEO for 30 years and a civilian employee of a law enforcement agency for six plus years, I think I can safely say that I've heard it all. My point was that an internet forum, aimed at gun users, should exercise some control over the language used in the posts, especially in the title line. I wasn't offended by the term but I was surprised to see it used in the title of a thread.

Foul language just gives the "anti's" more ammunition when they attempt to show gun owners/users as a bunch of un-educated goons. Getting our point across can be done by using simple, easily understood terminology without resorting to profanity.

Do I use profanity.....yes. Do I use it on a public forum.....absolutely not.

Thanks for the reply,

John

[Gremper]

The language bugs me also. I'm not a stranger to vulgarity and obscenity, not after 26 years on active duty BUT my grandson often hangs out with me while I am on the 'net and he will be exposed to that crap soon enough but not on my watch. (And yes, I have had to deal with the situations described).

[JCM298]

Gremper,

Thanks.

John

[guerrilla1138]

I do understand your feelings, gentlemen, and I respect them.
I think its all a matter of context. If someone uses rough language all the time, even I am offended (and I can, and do, curse with vim, vigor, creativity and an extremely diverse vocabulary). In the context of shooting, firearms ownership, etc? The occasional spicy phrase doesnt bother me.
Can it be used against us? Sure. But there are much worse, much more prevalent things that do us much more harm, that many of us watch and listen to other gun owners doing on a regular basis, and nothing is said. When was the last time you heard some subtle (or not so) racist comment at the range or a gun-show? When was the last time you went ahead and bought something from someone who made those comments? Even I have. We all have. Are you a racist? No. Am I? No. Are there some gun-owners who are? Most certainly yes. Are they tolerated, if not outright allowed, as part of our community? Very often, yes.
If we want to be able to give ourselves a cleaner image, give the anti's less ammunition against us, bad language is the absolute least of our problems. You know it, I know it.

In the itnerest of self-defense, imparting a little knowledge and skill to help people survive? I am definately willing to make allowances for that.
A little bad language to make a point and get peoples attention for a second, is the lesser evil. I know the intent of the post that has everyone riled up, and I know the intent of the language used - it wasnt to offend, it was to snap some heads around and make a point. I'll make allowances for that. This is an adult business we're talking about, and a serious one - so what if we cant read it with our kids on our laps? We're big enough to know when to open some pages and when not to. Cant read it now? Then read it later. Just like you do when the office computer blocks firearms sites.
Its a shame for good, vital information, to be ignored because it is in some way uncomfortable. That very mindset is one of the greatest problems with America today - its that mindset that lets the anti-gunners promote blatant lies and have them believed by people who would rather ignore uncomfortable things like violence and the commitment of looking them in the face and moving on.
Like I said, I understand your opinions, and I respect them - as I hope you do mine. All I was trying to do was give people access to a unique resource for some very good information, to make us all better. I'm sorry if some people dont wish to make use of it, for any reason, and I look forward to seeing those of you who do around both of these fine boards.
Take care, and be safe everybody. :)