[Old Soldier]

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[Hook]

Good cartoon Old Soldier, :up: :up: :up:

Those soldiers in the bottom cartoon aren't supposed to be our enemies.


Hook

[RED DOG-40]

Good cartoon Old Soldier, :up: :up: :up:

Those soldiers in the bottom cartoon aren't supposed to be our enemies.


Hook


.... :exactly: :thankx: ....... :(

[Redrum]

Tek them out of uniform...put them in a house...How would they feel about what they are doing??? (I know...just following orders....)

[Old Soldier]

There not soldiers, there L.A. and N.O. Cops.







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[7.62mmFMJ]

But, but, but........it's for their safety! :angry:

[Popeye]

It has nothing to do with safety. It all about control!

[7.62mmFMJ]

Another point to consider. In 1776 there was no "gun control." The colonists were allowed to have equal firepower. We are but subjects relying on a, hopefully, benevolent government.

[Ol' Grey Ghost]

The "shot heard 'round the world" was fired from a private owned gun at Concorde Bridge to stop the British who were on a hunt for stored arms and powder. The British also had orders to arrest a local gunsmith who was helping the colonists modernize their rifles and muskets. Seems the British never got to him as he lived on the other side of the bridge they weren't allowed to cross as the gunsmith's neighbors held them at bay. What would our neighbors do today? It bothers me to think that some would actually cheer the soldiers/LEO's on and that is not a good scenario to contemplate.

[Popeye]

What would our neighbors do today? It bothers me to think that some would actually cheer the soldiers/LEO's on and that is not a good scenario to contemplate.
If I recall correctly, during the Revolution they were called Tories. Nothing changes but the date.

[Ol' Grey Ghost]

But Popeye, Tories were loyal subjects of King George (the fat guy in England), the top government leader of the Colonies at that time. One shouldn't be disloyal to their government leaders should they?

"In the course of human events..."

Well, I guess maybe so.

[Phil in Alabama]

People were rioting all over the city, shooting at police officers and military personell, firing on rescue vehicles and aircraft; I don't like what happened, but what else could they have done facing the situation that they were confronted with? People abused their Constitutional rights illegally, and we won't let the LEO's and military just shoot the rioters and looters anymore, so something had to be done. Maybe something else, I don't have an answer. Bad situation from all points of view. Probably most of the rioters/looters had previous criminal records and should have already been incarcerated which would have foregone the problem. I don't know, I wasn't there.

[7.62mmFMJ]

Phil,

The civil authorities are called Law Enforcement (I prefer Peace Officers) not State Security (ala KGB). Bad guys were out shooting at people, rescuers, and causing a nuisance. The people being disarmed were in their homes defending themselves and their property. Again, this idea of prior restraint, and zero tolerance, does not work in a free country.

[RED DOG-40]

"and we won't let the LEO's and military just shoot the rioters and looters anymore, "

..Well by-golly it's time for a change in policies...Maybe the "authorities" will let them beat the bad guys about the head w/rubber hoses...ah darn, that won't work 'cause the bad guys have guns.. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[NavyChief]

...we won't let the LEO's and military just shoot the rioters and looters anymore...Simple fix. Let them. I know, I know - I oversimplify things. What can I say? I'm not a real smart guy, and that just seems such an elegantly simple solution in my little pea brain. :dunno:

[BountyHunter]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil in Alabama
...we won't let the LEO's and military just shoot the rioters and looters anymore...

Simple fix. Let them. I know, I know - I oversimplify things. What can I say? I'm not a real smart guy, and that just seems such an elegantly simple solution in my little pea brain. :dunno:
Hey mk86fcc I must be a pea brain too because this simple solultion works for me aswell.:up:

[Rabbi]

Molon Labe! And some of us mean it.

America died when the first honest homeowner was disarmed. I hope that the N.O. mayor and Top Cop swing from the yardarm for this. I wish they both would become Satan's eternal personal anus cleaners and metamorphose into 160 lb. tongues.

Bush just fell another 5%age points in my opinion for not stopping the confiscations.

G-d help us.

[Trainman]

Bush just fell another 5%age points in my opinion for not stopping the confiscations.

G-d help us.
What could Bush have done???? This is a local issue by local idiots mayor and Chief of PD. Bush has NO authority in this matter. This is local and invited, civil deputized LEOs doing the confiscations - not the federal authorities.

[Rabbi]

He could have called the mayor (as far as I know, the POTUS can get a landline) and TOLD him to back off. Sorry apologist, but Bush fell on this one. I voted for him twice but he's falling apart. Did you hear the Marxism he was spouting the other night? Did you listen? Urban homesteading my ass, no-bid contracts my ass. etc. etc. etc.

The mayor attacked the Constitution! You don't think the President has an obligation to get involved? I bet you care enough to vote for Animal Control Officer.

[Trainman]

He could have called the mayor (as far as I know, the POTUS can get a landline) and TOLD him to back off. Sorry apologist, but Bush fell on this one. I voted for him twice but he's falling apart. Did you hear the Marxism he was spouting the other night? Did you listen? Urban homesteading my ass, no-bid contracts my ass. etc. etc. etc.

The mayor attacked the Constitution! You don't think the President has an obligation to get involved? I bet you care enough to vote for Animal Control Officer.
1. I'm sure that a liberal democrat mayor, govenor, senator, et al would have responded real favorable if Bush had of called them up and used pressure them to call off the gun confiscations - NOT!
2. Yes I heard what he said the other night - and I don't agree or support everything he says or every policy he puts forth.
BUT the subject here is gun confiscations. Bush has no authority to interfere with a local or state matter. Your bashing him in this matter is uninformed and unfair.
3. The local animal control position in my city is a paid at-will employee of the municipality I live in. If it were an elected position then - yes I would have voted in the election.

[NavyChief]

BUT the subject here is gun confiscations. Bush has no authority to interfere with a local or state matter. Your bashing him in this matter is uninformed and unfair.I agree with the first two sentences here. But. Just as a couple examples, neither does he have the authority to ram "No Child Left Behind" or advocating the use of my money to rebuild N.O. (both, constitutionally speaking, local/state matters) down our throats. That being the case, I disagree with your third sentence...

[Trainman]

Just as a couple examples, neither does he have the authority to ram "No Child Left Behind" or advocating the use of my money to rebuild N.O. (both, constitutionally speaking, local/state matters) down our throats. That being the case, I disagree with your third sentence... Again you are making a statement unsupported by facts.
Bush DOES have the authority to submit initiatives to congress for their approval. That is part of his job description.
The individuals who CRAMMED these things down your throat, who control the purse strings, is your elected Reps and Senators in congress. In all actuality they have more REAL authority over your life than does Bush. All Bush can do is submit to congress what he thinks are needed. It's up to congress to make them happen - or not. So YOUR very real dissatisfaction should be directed to your senators, representatives, govenors, mayors, councilmen, judges, etc. There is where the REAL problems lie (figurativly, and literally). If the idiots keep being elected, they think you must enjoy getting shafted.

I understand that the NRA is now getting legally involved in the apparently illegal confiscation of guns in NO. Hopefully they can bring to bear some pressure on the obiously renegade actions of the cowardly mayor nagin - the one who ordered it to happen.

[dipodomys]

Hook, at the beginning of this thread you made a reasonable comment. Why are they? Who has changed them or us? They are making enemies of us by taking illegal actions against we the people. It's high time it was stopped.