Marlin 336 v Winnie 94


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7.62mmFMJ
10-27-2005, 12:21 AM
About what I would expect. Marlin wins for stronger, Winnie wins for sleak and balance. What say you Marlin fans? Can you carry the Marlin with one hand as easily as the Winchester?

Compared: Marlin Model 336 and Winchester Model 94

By Chuck Hawks


The lever action Marlin 336 and Winchester 94 are the two best selling sporting rifles in history, with millions upon millions sold in over a century of production. The Marlin design (by John Marlin) dates to 1893 and the Winchester design (by John Browning) to 1894.

These traditional lever action designs offer good accuracy, quick handling, fast repeat shots, big magazine capacity, ambidextrous operation, and the kind of reliability a man can bet his life on (and many have). The flat action makes these easy rifles to carry and, with no bolt handle sticking out of the side of the action, they are naturals to transport in a horse or motorcycle scabbard. They were designed for big game hunting but have been used for practically every application to which a rifle can be put, from home defense to revolution.

They have been chambered for a number of rifle cartridges over the years. These include (but are not limited to) the .219 Zipper, .25-35, 7-30 Waters, .307 Winchester, .32-40, .32 Special, .35 Remington, .356 Winchester, .375 Winchester, .38-55, and .444 Marlin.

They have been used to take every type of big game in North America, from varmints to bison, and similar game all over the world. But both rifles are best known as deer and black bear rifles chambered for the ubiquitous .30-30 Winchester cartridge, in which role they are unsurpassed. The rifles selected for this comparison are .30-30's. Now let's take a brief individual look at these famous sporting rifles.

Marlin Model 336

The Model 336 is the basis of Marlin's continuing success in the centerfire rifle market. There are currently three variations in the Model 336 line, but there have been others. At present we have the 336 Cowboy Gun (straight grip stock and 24" octagon barrel), the 336C (standard version with pistol grip walnut stock and 20" barrel), and the 336SS (the 336C with stainless steel metal parts). All stocks currently feature cut checkering in hand filling diamond point patterns and a satin Mar-Shield finish. The 336 Cowboy and 336C have a traditional deep blue metal finish, the 336SS has a satin stainless steel finish.

The 336 Cowboy is chambered for the .30-30 Winchester and .38-55 Winchester cartridges. The 336C is currently produced in .30-30 and .35 Remington. The 336SS comes in .30-30 only.

The Marlin's top selling point for years has been its strong, flat top receiver. An (originally) unintended benefit of this design is that it makes scope mounting a snap.

The heavy ("litigation special") 5.25 pound trigger pull of the test rifle does nothing for its practical accuracy, but at least it is fairly clean. Marlin triggers can be smoothed and lightened by a competent gunsmith. In fact, the whole action will get smoother as it breaks-in.

The basic specifications of the 336C, the standard model that is the focus of this comparison, are as follows: approximate weight 7 pounds; 20" Micro-Groove barrel with full length magazine tube; 6+1 cartridge capacity; overall length 38.5"; hammer block safety; adjustable folding semi-buckhorn rear sight and hooded ramp front sight with brass bead; tapped for receiver sight and scope mount; detachable sling swivel studs; comes with an ambidextrous off-set hammer spur for scope use. The pistol grip black walnut stock has a fluted comb and comes with a brown, solid rubber butt pad with black line spacer and a black pistol grip cap. Marlin still inlets their signature black and white "bullseye" near the toe of the stock.

Marlin has always believed in wood stocks and solid steel parts, which gives the 336 series rifles a quality look and feel plus legendary durability. It is a hard thing to fake.

Winchester Model 94

From 1894 to 1963 the Model 94 lever action rifle had been manufactured using high quality forged steel parts and stocked in genuine American black walnut. The metal finish was a highly polished blue and in the later part of that era the stock had a gloss finish. It was a very solid and handsome rifle, a legend in its own time. It was also the world's most popular sporting rifle, and still is with over 6,300,000 sold by 2002.

In 1964 a number of changes were made to reduce the cost of production. These did not affect function, but cheapened the look of the rifle and were not well received by the buying public. The Model 94 has since been revised to restore the publics' perception of quality, so the 1964 changes are now a dead issue.

The traditional design of the Model 94 had some drawbacks. Paramount among these was its top ejection, which made low and overbore scope mounting impossible. The alternatives were an offset side mount on the receiver, or an extended eye relief scope (I believe the Leupold M8 2x was the first of these) mounted on the barrel forward of the receiver. Both of these solutions were less than perfect. The offset side mount introduced horizontal parallax in addition to the usual vertical drop that had to be accounted for, and the forward mount resulted in a greatly decreased field of view.

As a result, changes have been made to the Model 94 design. The top ejection, which threw the empty cases basically straight up and over the shooter's shoulder, has been modified to permit conventional scope mounting. The so-called "angle ejection" became standard in 1982. A bit of the top right side of the receiver was milled away and the internals slightly modified to throw spent cases out at enough of an angle to the right to clear a centrally mounted scope. All angle eject Model 94's are drilled and tapped for two-piece top mounts.

In 1992 an unsightly crossbolt safety that blocks the hammer was introduced to please the corporate lawyers. Unfortunately, unlike Marlin's subtle crossbolt safety, the Winchester version was obvious and marred the clean look of the receiver. In 2003 Winchester dealt with the problem by moving the safety to the top tang, where it is less intrusive.

There has been a myriad of Model 94 variations in recent years. Some use actions that have been modified for use with revolver cartridges, and others are inferior economy models. The .30-30 model similar to the standard Model 94's of the past is the Traditional walnut.

The finish and overall appearance of the Model 94 Traditional are good. Its walnut stock is available with or without checkering. The checkered version is the Traditional-CW, which sells for about $40 more than the uncheckered version and about $40 less than the Marlin 336C. The Model 94 Traditional models are available chambered for the .30-30 rifle cartridge and the .44 Rem. Mag. revolver cartridge. Hunters seeking deer, black bear, and general CXP2 class game will do well to stay with the .30-30.

The current Model 94 action is a little rough, but it will smooth with use, as will the unnecessarily heavy trigger pull. A qualified gunsmith can smooth and lighten the trigger.

The basic specifications of the Model 94 Traditional-CW rifle, the model most directly comparable to the Marlin 336C, are as follows: solid frame, exposed hammer lever action with angled ejection and top tang safety; drilled and tapped for scope mounts (hammer extension included); 20 inch round barrel with hooded blade front sight and semi-buckhorn rear sight, rifled 1 turn in 12 inches; full length 6 shot tubular magazine; straight grip, satin finished American walnut stock and forearm with barrel band; length of pull 13 1/2 inches, drop at comb 1 1/8 inches, drop at heel 1 7/8 inches; overall length 38 1/8 inches; weight 6.25 pounds.

Marlin 336 advantages

Perhaps the biggest advantage possessed by the Marlin 336 is its solid top receiver, which allows a telescopic sight to be mounted low and overbore using a one-piece base (as opposed to a side mount or two-piece base). The Marlin action is reputed to be stronger than the Winchester action, due to its solid top receiver and round bolt. Its internal mechanism is simpler and easier to work on.

The Marlin's catalog weight is 3/4 pound heavier than the Winchester's, which helps to moderate recoil. The difference is not great, but it is noticeable. Of course, this also makes the 336 a slightly greater burden to carry over long distances. At only 7 pounds, however, the 336 is still a lightweight rifle.

The Marlin action feels tighter than the Winchester action, there is less lever slop, and the floorplate does not drop away from the receiver when the centrally mounted lever is operated, as does the Model 94. All of this adds up to an impression of solidity and quality that inspires confidence. As a friend of mine, who owns and shoots Model 94's, admitted: "The Marlin action feels more substantial."

The 336 comes with detachable sling swivel studs, which is a definite plus. The Marlin's walnut stock comes with a fluted comb, which I find attractive. I also like the solid rubber butt pad better than the Winchester's hard plastic butt plate.

The stainless steel barreled action of the 336SS is a definite plus. It looks good and offers the definite benefit of lower maintenance.

Winchester 94 advantages

The biggest supposed disadvantage of the Model 94, now that the top ejection has been replaced by angle ejection, is the open top receiver. When the bolt is all the way to the rear, bits of debris (snow, twigs, and the like) could theoretically drop into the action. But no one complains about the open top receivers of bolt action rifles, where exactly the same situation pertains. Personally, I think it is a non-issue.

The main advantages of the Model 94 are that its receiver is slightly slimmer than the Marlin 336, and has a flat bottom. This is due to its open top receiver and the fact that its lever is hinged internally rather than externally. The lever is also placed well toward the rear of the receiver. This design complicates the mechanism of the Model 94 (John Browning's designs tend to be over-engineered, yet very reliable), but make it exceptionally comfortable and convenient for one hand carry.

The standard Model 94 stock has a straight hand, which I prefer to the pistol grip stock on the Marlin 336C and 336SS, and also a slimmer forend. These features, together with the 94's slimmer receiver, make the whole rifle handier, trimmer, and slightly more attractive than the Marlin (at least to me), although both are good looking rifles. If there were an award for the "World's Best Handling Hunting Rifle," I would nominate the Winchester Model 94.

These differences make the Model 94 Traditional walnut slightly lighter than a Model 336C; a benefit if the rifle must carried long distances. Lower weight inevitably means more recoil, but most shooters find the Model 94 in caliber .30-30 reasonably pleasant to shoot.

Last, the Model 94 Traditional-CW is somewhat less expensive than the Model 336C. The difference in price is not great, but it is real--and it is in Winchester's favor.

Accuracy and function

I have had a reasonable amount of experience with Marlin 336 and Winchester 94 lever action rifles. And I have never found either lacking in practical accuracy or reliability.

The out of the box accuracy of a new 336 rifle that I happen to have in my possession is probably about average for the breed. Using a 3x scope, the first 75 rounds from this rifle averaged groups of about 2" center to center for 3 shots at 100 yards. Function and feeding were perfect. In fact, I cannot remember a jam with a Marlin 336 rifle.

I have owned both pre and post 1964 Model 94's, and I can testify that none of the 1964 manufacturing shortcuts affected the rifle's function or accuracy. The most accurate Model 94 I have ever owned was a 1966 Centennial commemorative model. This rifle came with a heavy 26 inch octagon barrel and wore a long eye relief Leupold M8 2x scope mounted forward of the receiver to clear the top ejection. Its trigger had been slicked-up and broke at about 4 pounds. It would average about 1.5 minute of angle (MOA) groups at 100 yards if I did my part, and occasionally shoot a 1 MOA group. That rifle favored handloads using IMR 3031 powder and the Speer 150 grain flat-point bullet.

Current Model 94 Traditional-CW rifles have the same (lawyer induced) heavy trigger problem as current Marlin 336C's. In my experience scoped Model 94's will put three bullets into groups of about 2 MOA on the average. Malfunctions are almost unheard of.

There appears to be no difference in the inherent accuracy or reliability of the Marlin 336 and Winchester Model 94. Either is more than accurate enough to take full advantage of the 225 yard maximum point blank range of the .30-30 cartridge. If an individual rifle were to shoot groups 1 MOA smaller or larger than the average it would make no practical difference for deer hunting.

Recoil

A 6.25 pound Model 94 .30-30, shooting a 150 grain bullet at a MV of 2400 fps, delivers about 12.5 ft. lbs. of recoil energy and has a recoil velocity of 11.3 fps. Add a scope and mount weighing 1 pound and the recoil energy drops to about 10.8 ft. lbs. and the recoil velocity to 9.8 fps.

A 7 pound Model 336 shooting the same load delivers about 11.1 ft. lbs. of recoil energy and has a recoil velocity of 10.1 fps. Add a scope and mount weighing 1 pound and the recoil energy drops to about 9.8 ft. lbs. and the recoil velocity to 8.9 fps.

Conclusion

The Winchester 94 has always been a reliable rifle, the kind you can depend on. With a 20" barrel it is exceptionally easy to carry and feels better in the hand than any other rifle with which I am familiar. Due to its compact action, straight grip stock and slender forend it is definitely the sleeker rifle. I regard it as the fastest pointing, best handling, deadliest medium range deer rifle ever invented. My all-time favorite .30-30 is a pre-1964 Model 94.

The current Model 94 Traditional-CW is a handsome rifle worthy of the Winchester name. Scope mounting is now easy to accomplish. Choosing between it and the Marlin 336C is just a matter of personal opinion. The hunter who selects a new Winchester Model 94 need make no excuses to anyone.

However, over the years I have come to prefer the Marlin 336 action. I appreciate the extra strength, solid top receiver, and simpler internal mechanism of the Marlin design. It is a great hunting rifle of obvious quality.

Combine either of these two fine rifles with the game getting effectiveness of the .30-30 cartridge and I venture to say that you have pretty close to the perfect deer rifle. After all, millions and millions of satisfied owners can't be wrong.

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Popeye
10-27-2005, 12:38 AM
I believe the Marlin's action is smoother than the Winchester's action.

I will admit to being a Marlin fan.

Fug
10-27-2005, 12:49 AM
IMO, both great rifles but I like the 336 better.

I would guess that prolly 80% of the folks who will look at the .75lb weight difference are carrying an extra 20lbs on them anyhow, so I would reckon they should worry about that first.

We are only talking .75lbs but lets say the difference is 5lbs just to make it really noticeable. Frankly most of the time you (the proverbial you, not you as in Mike) are hiking you have it slinged anyhow and if 5lbs on your back is going to make a difference then you shouldn't be in the woods anyhow. Oh sure there are exceptions like if you are packing in 25 miles on foot, but I don't do that far. Again, just my thoughts.

Carrying the 336 one handed is easy and can do but I put a sling on it so I don't have to all day ;) just when stalking, and then no worries.

A light rifle, or a carbine, does not hang out there as well. Shoot any nice heavy, long, barrel offhand and it will hang out there better than a little light barrel. The felt recoil is also a lot less, but as he mentioned on the ol thutty thutty there isn't much anyhoo.

Back to the 94 verse 336 I once again agree with Chuck Hawks final conclusions, both great rifles but I like the 336 better myself.

I had a 94 years back and don't remember what all I did mod-wise with it. I have found the 336 to be easy to work over, my trigger is light and crisp and my action super smooth and didn't take much work.

7.62mmFMJ
10-27-2005, 10:02 AM
Thanks :)

Hook
10-27-2005, 11:45 AM
What'a a Winnie? That like a Ninnie? :D



Hook

Popeye
10-27-2005, 11:46 AM
Winnie = Winfester.

malibuman
10-27-2005, 11:51 AM
Well I will take out my win 94 .30/30 20" in 2 weeks for the first time:whooho:
So soon maybe I can take out a 336 and compare.

Cord

Hook
10-27-2005, 11:55 AM
Winnie = Winfester.

:lool: :lool: :lool:

I'll stick with my Marlies. :D


Hook

budroe
10-27-2005, 01:00 PM
I have both. I usually take out the 336. I would like to find a pre-64 model 94 though.
I've never found the Marlin to be harder to carry than the 94. I agree with Fug though, I always have a sling on my rifles when I take them out in the field.

shoey
10-27-2005, 04:12 PM
Only have experience with a 336 and liked it quite a bit, quite accurate now that dad pulled those dopey see thru rings off...could use a lower power scope (2-7 would be nicer than 3-9, I like the lower power when walking) but I definitly like the solid scopability of the marlin.....however, the winchester is a better looking rifle....they need a short barrel, straight grip 336 and I'd want one, but might rather have the Marlin 1894 in .44 mag, dont know, thats another debate!

cheekser
10-27-2005, 06:01 PM
i tend to favor the Marlin, though i own a model 93 and an 1894, but not a 336. Never owned a Winchester product, but have shot the '94s often enough to not be enamored by them.

aesthetically, i will admit that the Marlin 336 could do to have a square bolt that is like the 1894 bolt, where it blends in nicely when the action is closed. (like the old 1893s and 93s)

BigBlue
10-30-2005, 11:52 AM
I can't say a bad word about either. Oh sure there are always improvements we'd like to see, but for the bucks, they are hard to beat. I own or have owned several of each, and have loved every one of them. It's too bad we can't combine the best assets of each and come up with a sort of MAR-CHESTER.

Don

Zircon
10-30-2005, 10:41 PM
Gun Tests just ran an article on Winchester vs. Henry Golden Boy in .44 Mag. They weren't too kind with the Winny: rough action, poor trigger, sloppy cocking lever, magazine door too difficult to push down to load rounds, and some other issues with it.

Blammer
01-19-2006, 05:34 PM
Got 3 Marlin leverguns :D Starting with the model 1889 44-40 rifle (24" hex barrel, curved buttplate) = the oldest & best looking & the original Marlin flat top :up: One of my cowboy reenacter buddies claimed it had the smoothest trigger of any lever gun he'd ever shot :up: 116 years old & still shoots good :D
Got a model 94 44Mag & a 336C in 35Remington with a Redfield 4X bolted on... both shooters & both handy :up:
I think Wrenfesters are pretty weapons, but I really don't like the top ejection feature :(

*Note FWIW: The Marlin flat tops got real popular during the Yukon gold rush when the word got out that these actions kept the water, snow & muck out of the works better than the Winnies... Haven't heard that a Winchester actually froze up, but the mere rumor was enough to make Marlin the choice in those times & those parts ;) :up:

Marinesg1012
01-20-2006, 01:01 AM
I have a marlin becuase that is what I was bought for my first Rifle. Will never get rid of it and see no need to change it.

si6
01-27-2006, 08:37 AM
94's 336's what ever happenrd to takin out a lady who is a 8 or a 9???? lord knows there is no 10's :D:D:D

7.62mmFMJ
01-27-2006, 10:42 AM
Well, events do shape decisions. The demise of Winchester (or probable demise) pushed me into 7 Winchester levers (4 new, 3 commemorative) AFTER I bought the Marlin 336 for my son.

Popeye
01-27-2006, 11:03 AM
Well, events do shape decisions. The demise of Winchester (or probable demise) pushed me into 7 Winchester levers (4 new, 3 commemorative)
You answered my question from another thread.

jimfox
01-27-2006, 09:08 PM
I think the Marlin is probably the stronger gun.

For the 30/30 I prefer the Winchester. Depending on the chambering and configuration (barrel length, weight, etc.) I'll favor one or the other. They're both great guns.

Pathfinder
01-28-2006, 08:26 AM
I don't know if it was me or what but, I have owned 5 or 6 Marlins they were as accurate as I am.. :dunno:

I tryed to get a large loop 30-30 in a Winchester, sent it back 4 times...

I can throw a rock that good..

When is Marlin going to make a large loop in a carbine is what I want to know??

ChiefIceWater
03-30-2006, 07:41 AM
I have both a pre and a post 1964 Winchseter '94 30-30, a Marlin AS and a Marlin CowboyII in 30-30. The pre 1964 '94 was my Uncles and is a treasure. The post 1964 I have $100.00 invested in [butt ugly but it works] and serves as a bad weather/loaner rifle. The Marlin AS shoots nothing but jacketed boolits and is as close to a lever action target rifle as I have ever seen. My CowboyII, which Marlin no longer catalogs, wears a Lyman tang sight and gobbles up my handloads using my own cast boolits dropped from a LEE mold. Love my levers and the .30WCF

ChiefIceWater
ciw3030@hotmail.com
:D

JeremyScott
03-30-2006, 08:14 AM
After I get my Bushi next week. I will look into trying to talk dear old dad into buying me a Marlin just to see if its all the hub bub. I have always been partial to the Winnie's cause thats what John Wayne carried. he being my most favorite actor of all time. What can I say, Im a sucker for a good western.

Blammer
03-31-2006, 12:00 AM
Redfield 4X scope = Never used it for hunting... For some reason my Dad adores the the thing = gave it to him :up: :D Himself in turn gave me a M1 carbine (Universal) & a stack of preban mags :D
I broke even on that deal ;)

Hook
03-31-2006, 08:20 PM
After I get my Bushi next week. I will look into trying to talk dear old dad into buying me a Marlin just to see if its all the hub bub. I have always been partial to the Winnie's cause thats what John Wayne carried. he being my most favorite actor of all time. What can I say, Im a sucker for a good western.

A Bushi and a Winnie??



Hook

tpeck111
08-12-2006, 08:52 AM
I have had a Win 94 Ranger since 1986. I still use it every week. I would say the only advantage of a Marlin 336C would be the fact that you can take it apart to clean deep within the receiver, and the Win you can't. You have to tap out the retaining pin in the receiver to get at the inside properly, which is really a hassle. I have had mine tapped out over a hundred times, just so it could be thoroughly cleaned.

I have bulls-eyed four times in a row, back-to-back shots, at 150 feet, no scope, with Remington 170 grain Core-Lokt ammo. The gun feels great, and really handy. I tried a Marlin 336C back in 1985, and again in 1990. If they are the same contsruction now as then, and I bet they are, then my opinion is the Marlin is clumbsy, heavy, and not comfortable like my 94 Ranger. I have had no problems with a so-called "loose" lever or debris getting into the action. All levers on all Wins could be considered "wobbly", but nothing too drastic, and nothing that is noticeable if you are used to it like me. People that own Marlins hate my gun, which makes me laugh, because I hate their Marlins.

The problem now is that you can't get Wins new at all anymore. I went to Longs Drugs where I live (they sell guns) to look into getting a 94 Trails End model in .45 Long Colt, and they said that none were left, and that Winchester is finished making them. That is disturbing to me. My advice is: Go with the American Legend...go with Winchester. I'd rather have a used Win than a new Marlin.

Hook
08-12-2006, 11:13 AM
I have always been partial to the Winnie's cause thats what John Wayne carried.

Just been reading thru some of these old posts and see that Jeremy Scott hasn't been around here lately so this reply is kinda belated.

John Wayne didn't carry a WINNIE, he carried a WINCHESTER.


He also rode a horse not a horsie.


Hook

BigBore
08-12-2006, 12:25 PM
I grew up around the Win 94 and like its looks...bought a new one in '65 and traded it to my uncle for a Marlin 336c in very good condition since he wanted a mod 94 (something I now wished I hadn't done with the demise of Winchester). I didn't like the cheapness that the '94 went to (roll pins instead of screws, etc) and sometimes when chambering a fresh round really fast the mechanism would kick the round up so hard that it would rise above the chamber and would get jammed when trying to close the action.

For these reasons I opted for the Marlin and still think to this day that it has a superior action even though I still like the classic western look of the Winchester. IMO Marlins are strong guns and very well engineered and have a much smoother action.

Oh, and lest I forget....my experience is that the Winchester in .30-30 caliber has more felt recoil than a Marlin of the same caliber...but just my opinion and experience.

BigBore
08-12-2006, 12:31 PM
Just been reading thru some of these old posts and see that Jeremy Scott hasn't been around here lately so this reply is kinda belated.

John Wayne didn't carry a WINNIE, he carried a WINCHESTER.


He also rode a horse not a horsie.


Hook
:funnypost

BigBore
08-12-2006, 12:36 PM
I don't know if it was me or what but, I have owned 5 or 6 Marlins they were as accurate as I am.. :dunno:

I tryed to get a large loop 30-30 in a Winchester, sent it back 4 times...

I can throw a rock that good..

When is Marlin going to make a large loop in a carbine is what I want to know??

Midway has after-market large loop levers for Marlins.

Bobby
08-12-2006, 03:42 PM
I carry one in each hand,30/30 and a bunch of ammo and spares in my pack.lololol
I like em both and could not choose just 1,either would serve me well.
I still need to git my 1915 WCF pic up sumhow.
I have a Winchester or 2 ,no Marlin at this time.

Dframe
08-12-2006, 08:17 PM
Who cares? I wouldn't feel poorly armed with either, and have owned both.

Zircon
08-12-2006, 09:43 PM
What'a a Winnie? That like a Ninnie? :D

A Bushi and a Winnie??


John Wayne didn't carry a WINNIE, he carried a WINCHESTER.


He also rode a horse not a horsie.

Quick, duck! The word cops are out policing up. :lool: :lool: :lool:

7.62mmFMJ
08-12-2006, 11:35 PM
Well, it is a moot point now. Winchester may never be again.

Zircon
08-12-2006, 11:59 PM
Well, it is a moot point now. Winchester may never be again.Yep, and a very, very sad moot point. :(

7.62mmFMJ
08-13-2006, 12:35 AM
I got my boy a Marlin for his last birthday. 30-30. Good rifle. Strong action. He is a very good shot with it. Minute of Coke can at 100 yards.

About the same time I bought a bunch of Winchester 94s both new and used. He instantly became attached to the Cowboy Commemorative. Mysticism
http://www.familyfriendsfirearms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44090&highlight=cowboy+commemorative

He had his friends out the other day and I was displaying a few. I grabbed his Marlin for him to show off. Then he ws "But wait until you see the Cowboy one - Dad dig it out"

rinavy
08-14-2006, 12:38 AM
I am very happy with my Marlin, it was a Christmas present from my wife, came with scope mounted and boresighted. I took it to the range on "sighting in day", rangemaster was watching my target through his very expensive spotting scope, he started to say something to me about my second shot but decided to wait until after shot number 3, when we got up to the target there were only two holes, I asked if what he had wanted to say was that I had totally missed with my second shot and he said no, what he saw was my second shot going through the same hole as the first giving a 100yd 3 shot group less than one inch in size, needless to say no adjustments were made. All that being said I still want a Winchester!

BigBore
08-14-2006, 01:40 AM
......I went to Longs Drugs where I live (they sell guns) to look into getting a 94 Trails End model in .45 Long Colt, and they said that none were left, and that Winchester is finished making them.....
Where the hell you live where a Longs Drug Store would sell firearms? Hell, we can't even get Walmart to sell 'em anymore.

BigBore
08-14-2006, 01:42 AM
I am very happy with my Marlin, it was a Christmas present from my wife, came with scope mounted and boresighted.......
What caliber?

rinavy
08-14-2006, 02:03 AM
What caliber?

.30-30

tpeck111
08-14-2006, 05:00 AM
Where the hell you live where a Longs Drug Store would sell firearms? Hell, we can't even get Walmart to sell 'em anymore.

I live in Red Bluff, California. Any commercially available hunting rifle can be ordered at the Long's Drugstore here.

Popeye
08-14-2006, 12:51 PM
:goodpost:

Okay folks. Remember this the next time you are tempted to bash California.

Hook
08-14-2006, 01:08 PM
:goodpost:

Okay folks. Remember this the next time you are tempted to bash California.

My goodness gracious who would even THINK of bashing California?:D :D :D



Hook

ChiefIceWater
08-14-2006, 02:16 PM
A 30-30 lever action sneeks in under the radar on many levels. Tis my prefered choice of a homeland defense rifle. There's several scattered about the compound. If it's good enough for deer, and I know it is, the .30WCF is good enough to take care of the boogy man in the middle of the night. If I could have just one rifle, it would be a Marlin in .30WCF
Glad I have more than one.:D

tpeck111
08-16-2006, 09:44 PM
I heard about a month ago that Smith and Wesson might buy the New Haven factory. I didn't hear anything else about it after that. The news story said that Winchester will have come full cirlce if this happens, because Smith & Wesson were the original owners of the Volcanic Repeating Arms Co. that designed the Henry lever rifle.

I thought this was interesting.

7.62mmFMJ
08-16-2006, 10:06 PM
I believe that it would be a smart move for S&W. They could improve the quality and get some CAS business.

tpeck111
08-17-2006, 09:09 AM
These are the very first guns made by Volcanic:

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These are said to be from 1856. They were designed by Horace Smith and Daniel B. Wesson. These are the original lever guns, pre-Henry and pre-Winchester. The pistol is .31 calber, while the rifle is .41 caliber. They fired a round with the primer and powder built directly into the hollow back of the bullet itself.

These guns are an amazing piece of American firearm history for Winchester enthusiasts. It will be equally amazing if the New Haven factory is ultimately purchased by Smith & Wesson.

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