6.5x55 SM


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BrockthePaine
04-10-2006, 09:47 PM
How does 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser compare to the .30-06 or .308 as a military round? I read that "many Scandanavians would gladly use the SM for moose" so I figure the round is pretty good? How's recoil on it?

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7.62mmFMJ
04-10-2006, 10:06 PM
Compared: The 6.5x55 SE and 7mm-08 Remington

By Chuck Hawks

The old 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser and the newer 7mm-08 Remington rifle cartridges are both popular and well known. This is especially true in North America where the 7mm-08 originated and has become a "top 30" rifle cartridge, and the 6.5x55 has been in the top 30 for years. In much of the rest of the world the 6.5x55 is very well known, while the standby 7mm rifle cartridge remains the 7x57 Mauser, but the 7mm-08 has made inroads.

Since I have already written an article comparing the .260 Remington and 7mm-08 Remington, and another article comparing the 6.5x55 and 7x57, much of the material in this article will unavoidably be essentially similar. The .260 is just a newer version of the 6.5x55, and the 7mm-08 is a newer version of the 7x57.

The 6.5x55 SE

6.5x55

Illustration courtesy of Hornady Mfg. Co.


The 6.5x55 was adopted as the service cartridge of Sweden and Norway in 1894. It subsequently become a very popular sporting cartridge in Scandinavia, and eventually caught on in the rest of the world, including North America. In the U.S. it is known as the "6.5x55mm Swedish Mauser" or just the "6.5mm Swede."

The 6.5x55 is one of those fortunate few cartridges that is exceptionally well balanced. Like all 6.5mm cartridges, its biggest advantage is the high sectional density (SD) of its bullets. It is covered in detail in an article on the Rifle Cartridge Page.

Despite its age, the 6.5x55 is a modern looking rimless cartridge with a sharp 25-degree shoulder angle. The cartridge overall length (COL) is 3.150", thus it requires an "intermediate" (rare) or standard length action. It has the case and neck length to allow it to efficiently handle long, heavy bullets. Bullet diameter is .264" and for big game hunting the 6.5x55 is at its best with bullets ranging from 120-160 grains, although bullets from about 85-160 grains are available to reloaders.

Most ammunition manufacturers load for the 6.5x55. Typical U.S. factory loads for the 6.5x55 drive a 139-140 grain bullet at a muzzle velocity (MV) of 2550-2600 fps. Higher performance Light Magnum loads from Hornady advertise a 129 grain bullet at a MV of 2770 fps and a 139 grain bullet at a MV of 2740 fps.

Norma of Sweden offers a 139 grain bullet at a MV of 2854 fps, a 140 grain bullet at a MV of 2789 fps, and several different 156 grain bullets at MV's ranging from 2526 fps to 2644 fps. RWS of Germany offers several 6.5x55 loads including a 127 grain bullet at a MV of 2850 fps and a 154 grain bullet at a MV of 2670 fps. Sellier & Bellot of the Czech Republic loads a 140 grain PSP bullet at a MV of 2645 fps. These are typical of European 6.5x55 loads, which on average are loaded to higher pressure than U.S. factory loads.

Reloaders with old military rifles can safely achieve velocities similar to the standard U.S. factory loads. In the U.S. the maximum average pressure (MAP) for the 6.5x55 is held to only 46,000 psi, but reloads for modern rifles such as the Ruger M77 and Winchester Model 70 can safely be taken to 50,000 cup. This allows reloaders with modern rifles to equal and sometimes exceed the European factory loads.

In the U.S., Dakota, Ruger and Winchester chamber rifles for the 6.5x55. In addition Blaser, CZ, Howa, Sako, Sauer, and Tikka offer 6.5x55 rifles for sale in the U.S. market. These and other makes are available in Europe.

The 7mm-08 Remington

7mm-08

Illustration courtesy of Hornady Mfg. Co.


The 7mm-08 Remington was introduced in 1980 in the Model 700 bolt action rifle. At first sales were slow, probably because it is essentially the ballistic twin of the 7x57, but over time it has caught on. Unlike the 7x57 (and the 6.5x55) there are no ancient or weak 7mm-08 rifles floating around, so commercially manufactured ammunition is loaded close to the SAAMI maximum average pressure of 52,000 cup.

The 7mm-08 is based on a .308 Winchester case necked down to accept .284" bullets. It has a maximum COL of 2.80" and is thus a true short action cartridge. The 7mm-08 is covered in detail in an article on the Rifle Cartridge Page.

For big game hunting, it is at its best with bullets weighing between 120 and 150 grains. Bullets from about 100-175 grains are available to reloaders.

Remington 7mm-08 factory loads drive a 120 grain bullet (SD .213) at a muzzle velocity of 3000 fps and a variety of 140 grain bullets (SD .248) at a MV of 2860 fps. Federal offers a 150 grain bullet at a MV of 2650 fps in addition to standard 140 grain loads. Hornady, Norma, PMC, and Winchester also offer factory loads in 7mm-08, mostly with 140 grain bullets. Reloaders can safely achieve velocity figures similar to the factory loads.

Remington offers the 7mm-08 in the Model 7 bolt action, Model 7600 pump and Model 7400 autoloader, in addition to the Model 700. The 7mm-08 has become a standard short action offering, and is also available in Blaser, Browning, Kimber, Ruger, Sako, Savage, Tikka, Weatherby, and Winchester rifles.

The Comparison

There are meaningful differences between .264" and .284" bullets. That .020" difference in diameter shows in bullet frontal area and sectional density. Both are important in evaluating killing power. The bullet's velocity, energy, and trajectory should also be considered.

Let's compare bullets of the same weight and type, using 140 grain Nosler Partition bullets as an example. This favors the 6.5x55 in sectional density (and theoretically wound channel depth), but favors the 7mm-08 in bullet frontal area (and theoretically wound channel diameter), assuming that all other factors such as velocity, energy and bullet performance are equal.

Here are the figures for SD and bullet frontal area:

* 6.5mm, 140 grain - SD .289, frontal area .0547 sq. in.
* 7mm, 140 grain - SD .248, frontal area .0633 sq. in.

In terms of wound channel terminal ballistics in soft tissue, the advantage in SD possessed by the 6.5x55 is probably balanced by the 7mm-08's advantage in bullet frontal area. Just bear in mind that when used on tough game with bullets of equal weight, the 6.5x55 has a potential advantage in penetration and the 7mm-08 has a potential advantage in shocking power.

Also remember that bullet design has a tremendous impact on expansion and penetration, and introduces many variables. A fast expanding 6.5mm bullet, such as the 140 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip, will almost certainly create a larger diameter, but shorter, wound channel than a limited expansion bullet such as the 7mm/140 grain CT Fail Safe, also manufactured by Nosler. For most purposes in this article, we will be comparing loads using essentially identical Nosler Partition bullets.

According to the top factory load ballistics as printed in the 2004 edition of the Shooter's Bible, the 7mm-08 can launch the popular 140 grain bullet 71 fps faster than the 6.5x55 with full pressure loads. For the reloader, the difference is probably more like 100 fps for typical maximum loads, but the net result will be similar. We will use the following factory loads for comparison:

* Norma 6.5x55, 140 grain Nosler Partition at MV 2789 fps.
* Rem. 7mm-08, 140 grain Nosler Partition at MV 2860 fps.

This velocity advantage translates to a slight advantage in muzzle energy favoring the 7mm-08. Here are the energy figures (in ft. lbs.) for the 140 grain Norma and Remington factory loads at the muzzle, 100, 200, and 300 yards:

* Norma 6.5x55, 140 grain at 2789 fps - 2419 ME, 2089 at 100 yards, 1796 at 200 yards, 1536 at 300 yards.
* Rem. 7mm-08, 140 grain at 2860 fps - 2542 ME, 2180 at 100 yards, 1860 at 200 yards, 1577 at 300 yards.

The 7mm-08 starts out with a 123 ft. lb. advantage in ME, but at 300 yards that gap has closed to only 41 ft. lbs. This is due to the superior ballistic coefficient (BC) of the slimmer 6.5mm bullet. The Nosler BC figures for their 140 grain Partition bullets are .490 for the 6.5mm bullet and .434 for the 7mm bullet.

This difference in BC will also affect the trajectories of the two loads, where the 7mm-08's velocity advantage is pretty much negated by the superior BC of the 6.5mm bullet. Here are the trajectory figures for our two factory loads, assuming a 200 yard zero:

* Norma 6.5x55, 140 grain at 2789 fps - +1.8" at 100 yards, -7.8" at 300 yards.
* Rem. 7mm-08, 140 grain at 2860 fps - +1.7" at 100 yards, -7.6" at 300 yards.

This is not enough difference to matter in any hunting situation. The trajectory comparison is essentially a tie.

How does all of this affect killing power? The "Optimal Game Weight" (OGW) figures, based on the pioneering work of Edward A. Matunas and published in the Lyman 47th Reloading Handbook, show that with our chosen factory loads the OGW is as follows:

* 6.5x55/140 - 638 lbs. at muzzle, 520 at 100 yards, 422 at 200 yards, 340 at 300 yards, 272 lbs. at 400 yards.
* 7mm-08/140 - 688 lbs. at muzzle, 547 lbs. at 100 yards, 432 lbs. at 200 yards, 339 lbs. at 300 yards, 264 lbs. at 400 yards.

These figures indicate similar killing power. The 7mm-08 has a slight advantage at short and medium range, and the 6.5x55 has a very slight advantage at long range. The OGW numbers cross at 300 yards, where they are virtually identical.

One of the nice things about both of these cartridges is their moderate recoil. They are among the mildest of the all-around rifle cartridges. Since bullet placement is, by far, the most important factor in killing power, most hunters can kill better with a rifle that kicks less.

No doubt this contributes to the sterling record of the 6.5x55 and 7mm-08 in the field. Both are more than adequate for all CXP2 class game, and have proven adequate for CXP3 class game such as North American elk, Scandinavian moose, and tough African plains game in the hands of a careful marksman.

Here are the approximate recoil figures for both cartridges, computed for our comparison factory loads in 8 pound rifles:

* 6.5x55, 140 at 2789 fps - 14.2 ft. lbs.
* 7mm-08, 140 at 2860 fps - 13.9 ft. lbs.

Again we have a virtual tie. The 0.3 ft. lb. difference is well within the computational error of the recoil calculation, since the actual powders used in the factory loads are unknown. For this comparison, I used powder data from the fifth edition of the Nosler Reloading Guide, corrected for the velocity change caused by the 3" difference in the length of the Nosler test barrels.

For reloaders, bullet selection and availability are important. Almost every bullet maker offers a good selection of both 6.5mm (.264") and 7mm (.284") bullets for every application for which either cartridge is suited. There are actually more choices in 7mm, but the selection in 6.5mm is entirely sufficient.

Both of these cartridges can handle bullets from 120 to 160 grains with reasonable efficiency, and these are widely available. So, for reloaders, there is not much to choose between the 6.5x55 and 7mm-08 for big game hunting.

The hunter and reloader who wants to use his all-around big game rifle for some varmint or predator hunting during the off season will be able to do so with either caliber. Edition V of Sierra Rifle and Handgun Reloading Data shows that the 6.5mm Sierra 85 grain HP varmint bullet (SD .174) can be driven to a maximum velocity of 3500 fps. The same reloading manual shows that the 7mm Sierra 100 grain HP varmint bullet (SD .177) can be driven to a maximum velocity of 3300 fps. For the varmint and small predator hunter, a lighter bullet with a similar shape and SD at higher velocity will shoot flatter and is probably the better choice. Advantage 6.5x55.

Summary and conclusion

I would summarize the 6.5x55 vs. 7mm-08 comparison thusly:

* If you favor bullet frontal area for increased shocking power, the 7mm-08 has the theoretical advantage.
* If deep penetration is more important to you, the 6.5x55 has the theoretical advantage.
* A reasonable selection of factory loads and reloading bullets are available for both calibers.
* If you are a reloader that already owns another rifle in either caliber, say a .264 Winchester Magnum or a 7mm Remington Magnum, then I would stick with the caliber I already own. You may be able to use the same bullet(s) in both calibers, reducing your inventory costs, and you are probably predisposed to favor that caliber, anyway.
* If you are a reloader who also wants to use your rifle for varmint/predator hunting, the 6.5x55 is perhaps the better choice.
* If you prefer a certain make and model of rifle and it is available in one caliber but not the other, your decision has been made. Getting the rifle you like best is probably more important than the differences between the two calibers.

It is hard to say, on balance, which cartridge is superior. The principle differences are in bullet frontal area and sectional density. Even on the same type of game it depends on the specific situation (the angle at which the animal is standing, its state of mind, etc.) as to whether a wider wound channel or a deeper wound channel is more desirable, and that is hard to predict in advance.

Both cartridges are recommended for all species of North American antelope, deer, sheep, goats, feral pigs, black bear and caribou, and similar size animals worldwide. They are adequate for elk and moose if the hunter does not attempt to stretch the range and has the skill place his shot carefully, although neither would be my first choice for shooting such large animals.

Ballistically, the 6.5x55 and 7mm-08 are similar. Both are proven cartridges and most shooters will be well served by either.

7.62mmFMJ
04-10-2006, 10:08 PM
The Fabulous 6.5x55

By Chuck Hawks

6.5x55

Illustration courtesy of Hornady Mfg. Co.

6.5mm calibers have been popular with various of the world's militaries, including Japan (6.5x50), Sweden (6.5x55), Norway (6.5x55), Italy (6.5x52), Greece (6.5x54), and no doubt others. Most of these have also been successfully used as sporting cartridges, and the most successful of all in that role has been the 6.5x55.

The 6.5x55 seems to be one of those well balanced cartridges that is "just right." It does an excellent job without muss or fuss, much like the 7x57 Mauser. Powerful enough to do pretty much whatever can be done with its bullet diameter, yet mild enough so that almost everyone can shoot it well. It has an excellent reputation as a game cartridge, better than its paper ballistics would suggest.

The 6.5x55 was developed by a joint Swedish/Norwegian commission in Christiania (later renamed Oslo) in 1893. It was officially adopted as the military caliber of the United Kingdom of Sweden and Norway in 1894. (At the time Sweden and Norway were one country.) It became a popular sporting rifle cartridge in Scandinavia, and then all over Europe, where it is often referred to as the 6.5x55 SE, the "SE" standing for Sweden. It is famous as a superbly accurate cartridge and has been widely used in Europe for target shooting, including Olympic free rifle competition.

The cartridge remained little known in the U.S. until the late 1950's, when surplus 6.5x55 military rifles became available to American shooters in good numbers. In 2003 Blaser, CZ, Dakota, Ruger, Sako, Sauer, Tikka, and Winchester are all offering fine bolt action sporting rifles in 6.5x55 to the North American market. RCBS reports that the 6.5x55 ranks among the top 30 calibers in reloading die sales. The cartridge has finally come of age in the U.S., where it is known as the "6.5mm Swede" or the "6.5x55mm Swedish Mauser."

The 6.5x55 uses regular 6.5mm (.264") bullets in a bottle necked, rimless case with a 25 degree shoulder. It has an unusual head size which is slightly larger in diameter (.476") than the standard 7x57 Mauser or .30-06 case (.473"). The rim of the 6.5x55 is also slightly thicker (.059") than a standard 7x57 Mauser or .30-06 case (.049"). The twist in Mauser military 6.5x55 barrels is a fast 1 turn in 7.5" to stabilize the very long 160 grain bullets. Most civilian 6.5x55 barrels use a 1 turn in 8 inch twist, which will still stabilize the 160 grain bullet, and is slightly better for 120 grain bullets.

The typical bullet weights are 87-100 grain, 120 grain, 125 grain, 129-130 grain, 140 grain, 150-156 grain, and 160 grain. The 87-100 grain spitzer bullets are varmint bullets, the flat shooting 120 grain spitzer bullets are generally intended for the smaller deer and antelope species, the 125-130 grain spitzer bullets are excellent for all-around hunting, the 140 grain spitzer bullets combine the weight, SD, and BC for larger game at fairly long range, and the 150+ grain bullets are usually designed for large animals at medium range.

If these bullet weights seem a little light for their intended applications, note their SD relative to popular bullet weights in better known calibers. For instance, the .26 caliber 120 grain bullet has a SD of .247, almost identical to the 165 grain .30 caliber bullet. The 125 grain .26 bullet has a SD of .256, identical to that of a 170 grain .30 bullet. The 129 grain .26 bullet has a SD of .264, nearly identical to that of a 180 grain .303 bullet. The long 140 grain .26 bullet has an outstanding SD of .287, which is essentially the same as a 190 grain .30 match bullet. The 160 grain .26 bullet has a SD of .328, about like a 220 grain .30 bullet.

U.S. specifications limit the MAP of the 6.5x55 to 45,000 cup. Federal, Remington, Speer, and Winchester each offer the 6.5x55 with a 140 grain spitzer bullet at a muzzle velocity (MV) of 2,550 fps and a muzzle energy (ME) 2,020 ft. lbs. At 200 yards the numbers are 2164 fps and 1456 ft. lbs. (Remington figures).

With the standard American 140 grain factory load zeroed at 200 yards, the trajectory is as follows: +2.4 in. at 100 yards, +2.1 in at 150 yards, 0 at 200 yards, -3.9 in at 250 yards, -9.8 in. at 300 yards. As you can see, with this load the 6.5x55 is a good 250 yard big game rifle.

Somewhat hotter U.S. hunting loads for the 6.5x55 are offered by Federal and Hornady. Federal has a 140 grain Hi-Shok bullet at a MV of 2600 fps and ME of 2100 ft. lbs. Hornady has two 6.5x55 offerings in their Light Magnum line, a 129 grain Spire Point bullet at a MV of 2770 fps with ME of 2197 ft. lbs., and a 140 grain Spire Point bullet at a MV of 2740 fps and ME of 2333 ft. lbs. If the 129 grain bullet were zeroed to take advantage of its maximum point blank range (+/- 3") it would hit 2.7" high at 100 yards, 1.7" high at 200 yards, 3" low at 275 yards, and 5.5" low at 300 yards.

European loads for the 6.5x55 tend to be hotter than the standard U.S. loads. Sellier & Bellot of the Czech Republic load their 140 grain soft point spitzer bullet for the 6.5x55 SE at a MV of 2645 fps. Sako of Finland offers a wider range of loads, including a 100 grain FMJ spitzer bullet at 2,625 fps, a 139 grain match bullet at 2,790 fps, and a 156 grain round nose bullet at 2,625 fps. Norma of Sweden loads their 139 grain Vulkan bullet to a MV of 2854 fps and ME of 2515 ft. lbs. They offer several loads with 156 grain bullets, the fastest of these being the Vulkan bullet at a MV of 2644 fps and ME of 2422 ft. lbs. These loads are typical of the performance European hunters expect from the 6.5x55.

The reloader with a modern bolt action rifle can do very well with the 6.5x55. The Speer Reloading Manual No. 13 shows that their 120 grain spitzer bullet (BC .433) can be driven to a MV of 2650 fps with 45.0 grains of IMR 4831 powder, and 2886 fps with 49.0 grains of the same powder. Their 140 grain spitzer (BC .496) can be driven to a MV of 2449 fps by 44.0 grains of RL22 powder, and 2671 fps by 48.0 grains of RL22. Speer recommends the 120 grain bullet for antelope and the smaller deer, and the 140 grain bullet for large deer and black bear. The good old boys at Speer tested these loads in a Ruger M77 rifle with a 22" barrel, and used Federal cases and CCI 200 primers.

The Hornady Handbook, Sixth Edition shows that their sleek 129 grain Spire Point and SST bullets can be driven to a MV of 2700 fps by all eight powders listed. Examples would be 42.4 grains of IMR 4350, 45.5 grains of H450, 42.1 grains of Win. 760, or 45.4 grains of RL-22. These loads used Hornady brass and Winchester WLR primers, and were chronographed in a Model 1896 Mauser with an 29" barrel.

The fifth edition of the Nosler Reloading Guide lists loads for their excellent 125 grain Partition bullet in front of 41.5 grains of IMR 4350 powder at a MV of 2592 fps, and 45.5 grains of 4350 at a MV of 2910 fps. IMR 4350 was the most accurate powder tested with the 125 grain bullet. Norma cases and Remington primers were fired in a 23" barrel to develop these loads.

At present I am loading the 140 grain Sierra GameKing SBT bullet at a MV of 2650 fps in front of 44.7 grains of RE-22 powder for use in both my Swedish Mauser Model 1896 and my Winchester Model 70 rifles. See the Sierra Edition V reloading manual for details.

The 6.5x55 is an extremely accurate, very capable hunting cartridge. Its mild recoil makes it a pleasure to shoot at the range or in the field and insures that the average hunter and recreational shooter can take full advantage of its capabilities.

High performance factory loads and handloads make the 6.5x55 suitable for all of the world's thin-skinned big game in the hands of a skilled marksman. Trond Borge Ottersen of Norway, who helped me with some of the historical information in this article, assures me that Norwegians were very active in the arctic around the turn of the 20th Century. They were especially active in whaling and hunting. As a result of this many polar bears have been taken with the 6.5X55. Put one of those deadly 6.5mm bullets into a vital spot and you will indeed "bring home the bacon" with the 6.5x55.

Hook
04-11-2006, 08:27 AM
It's pretty hard to compare the 6.5x55 with the 7mm-08.
Take a look at the .260 Remington. It's a 6.5mm bullet in a .308 case.
I think this would be an excellent deer round but a little light for moose or elk. IMHO



Hook

BrockthePaine
04-11-2006, 08:44 AM
But for military applications I'd be sufficient?

Hook
04-11-2006, 09:04 AM
A hell of a lot better than what we have now.



Hook

Popeye
04-11-2006, 09:08 AM
But for military applications I'd be sufficient?
For when it was developed? Perfect.

For now? Nearly so.

Blammer
04-11-2006, 11:54 AM
Got 3 = a M94 carbine, an M96 target rifle and a sporterized M96 with a synthetic stock and a scope. Sorry, no statistical comparisons, the upthread articles got that pretty much coverd. :)
*Note* I understand that Swedish Moose (They call em' "Elk" over there) are smaller than North American Moose (Meeses???) & a whole lot of Swedish hunters use the 6.5x55 to take them, and have done so for several decades.
I've hunted in heavy cover with the little carbine, which like any cavelry arm, belches large fireballs and kicks and sounds like a fieldpiece. :psycho: The little 18" barrel is not going to deliver the rifle-type ballistics with the spritzer 140gr bullets,so I compensate somewhat by useing the older style round nosed bullets = Norma makes 156gr SP's.
*Another Note* the little cavelry carbines are still in use by the Swedish military, they are the drill rifles of the Royal Swedish Household Cavelry (equivelent to the British Royal Horse Guards) = the troopers wear them slung muzzel down over their shoulders rather on a saddle scabbard. :D

Bobby
04-11-2006, 01:08 PM
I love reading stuff like this,since i cannot afford one.
Both of those rds seem ideal asa choice to me ,provided there are ample supply of them.
What about surplus rds?Swedish surplus?
Must be the handloaders dream ,dayum.

Still Creekin'
04-11-2006, 09:21 PM
One of my favorite rounds. I've owned four of the Swedish Mausers, and still have two, one original 1916 M96, and one which I cut to 22" and bedded into a plastic stock with a scout scope. These old swedes used to be an excellent deal. The swedish militery has a unique theory which holds that every soldier is a marksmen, and they built the rifles to support that theory. All the parts are numbered and hand fitted to each indiviual rifle. Every time they went back into the armory the chamber dimensions and bore condition were checked and the results printed on a brass disk in the stock. And the vast majority of them never saw war time service. I never paid over $150 for one and the only one I ever saw which wouldn't stay under an inch at 100 yards is the one I cut down due to muzzle damage. After cutting it down I shot the best group of my life with that truck gun, .289". One of the best things about the 6.5x55 is that with it's fast twist it will handle bullets from 120 to 160 grains quite well. In my case I use 120 grain Ballistic tips for coyotes, 140 grain speer hot cores for deer, and I keep some 160 grainers around for bigger or meaner stuff. Without changing my sight settings all three of those loads will stay in a three inch circle at 100 yards, with the 140 grainers zero'd at 200 and the 120 grain zero at 250 yards. This is really a reloaders dream. Almost any powder in the 4350 to 4831 range will work. I'm using surplus powders with excellant results. The pressures are low and brass lasts pretty much forever. I just neck size for the most part with a trip through the body die about every 10 loadings. I believe the 6.5x55 has probably killed more Moose than any other caliber. The Swedes have been using it for over 100 years now. BD

NavajoNPaleFace
04-12-2006, 10:54 PM
The 6.5 X 55 (.264) bullet) round is, as most know, between the .243 and the .270 and closer to the .270.

While the .270 is acceptable for deer the key to taking down an elk would be, I would guess, maximum shot placement.

I know a guy locally that shot a a bull elk this last season with 180 grain 30.06 and the elk went another 1/8 mile before dropping.

The round was placed accurately behind the right shoulder and upper chest but the round never made it into the heart.

The damage was only from internal bleeding in the lung.

geekay
04-14-2006, 09:51 AM
My 6.5x55 Swede is used for RMS as is my son's 7mm08 Browning "A" bolt. Both use similar weight bullets with the 7mm08 shooting slightly flatter at the longer ranges, possibly due to slightly hotter loads. Each is a delight to shoot.

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