Airlines pummel Airbus over A380 delays


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06-14-2006, 04:34 PM
By ANGELA CHARLTON, Associated Press Writer 57 minutes ago




PARIS - Airlines around the world punished Airbus on Wednesday for delays in the delivery of its A380 superjumbo, demanding compensation, reconsidering orders — and in one case, striking a major deal with its rival Boeing Co.


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is manufactured at the Airbus plant in Hamburg, northern
Germany. Airbus said Tuesday June 13, 2006, that deliveries
of its new superjumbo A380 could be delayed by up to seven months

Shares in Airbus' parent company crashed and Boeing's soared as repercussions of the production problems with the world's biggest passenger plane resonated throughout the industry.
They also raised questions about the European planemaker's management and strategy, and the future of the double-decker A380. Boeing is staking its bets on a smaller, more fuel-efficient model.
Singapore Airlines, one of the world's top carriers and the first to buy the A380, said it was unhappy with the delays Airbus announced Tuesday. It demanded compensation and, on Wednesday, worsened the blow by announcing it would buy 20 Boeing 787-9 aircraft worth $4.52 billion and take options on another 20 planes.
Emirates Airlines, another sought-after buyer, said it was reconsidering its order of 45 A380s. Australia's Qantas Airways said it was seeking talks with Airbus over its orders for 12 A380s and wants some of its money back. Malaysia Airlines said it was reviewing terms of its deal for six of the planes.
Airbus parent European Aeronautic Defense & Space Co. saw billions of dollars wiped off its value Wednesday as shares plummeted by 26 percent to close at 18.80 euros ($23.63), after it warned that operating profit would be cut by about 500 million euros ($625 million) each year between 2007 and 2010.

The dismal day for Airbus reflected a sharp shift in the Toulouse, France-based company's fortunes since the 555-passenger A380 took a triumphant maiden flight last year over the Pyrenees. Airbus overtook Boeing in order numbers in 2001 and in deliveries in 2003 and until recently looked in robust shape.
But the anger fueled by Tuesday's announcement of production bottlenecks with the plane's electrical systems — the second major delay for the $300 million A380 — suggests a less rosy future for the planemaker.
"Boeing is eating Airbus' lunch, certainly this year. And they'll do it again next year and for the foreseeable future, unless Airbus can pull a rabbit out of a hat," said Jim Smith, aviation analyst and editor of Jane's Transport Finance.
It was the second Airbus project to falter in recent years, after the A350, which it hoped would be the answer to Boeing's 787.
The Singapore-Boeing deal stung especially deep because Airbus had hoped Singapore Airlines would be one of the first and biggest customers for the A350. But airline dissatisfaction with the A350 has forced Airbus to redesign some of its parts and consider a costly overhaul, delaying its launch for several years.
Airbus insisted Wednesday that it was not the A380 itself but minor production problems at fault for the delay.
"There have been minor production issues which have accumulated into a large number and require a complete, very detailed rethinking of the installation process of wires and harnesses," said Thore Prang, spokesman for the company in Hamburg. "It has nothing to do with the aircraft."
The A380 delay "couldn't be a worse timing for Airbus," said aviation analyst Richard Pinkham of the Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation. "Especially as it comes on the heels of the PR problems they had with the A350."
With the A380, Airbus was taking a risk, since only a few of the world's airports have runways long enough and terminals that can be modified to deal with its double deckers, analysts said.
Airbus wagered that the airline industry would increasingly offer large flights to international hubs. But Boeing bet that air travel would be marked by the need for fuel efficiency and long-haul flights and is focusing on the 330-passenger 787.

"EADS made a strategic error by opting for a jumbo-sized jet rather than a fuel efficient model, especially if the price of oil increases further," said Matthieu Raimbault of French brokerage Viel Tradition.
Singapore was the first carrier to buy the A380, ordering 10 with an option to purchase another 15. Airbus said the first delivery to Singapore was still expected by the end of this year.
But deliveries will likely be limited to nine in 2007 instead of the 20 to 25 initially planned, Airbus said, with an additional shortfall of five to nine A380 deliveries expected in 2008 and "around five" in 2009.
Emirates Airlines said it was told to expect a six-month delay. "We are considering our position and will be engaging with the manufacturer over the next few weeks," the airline said in a statement.
Airbus' chief commercial officer, John Leahy, confirmed that the company will incur more late delivery penalties, but declined to provide a figure. It could in theory also face order cancellations.
EADS co-CEO Noel Forgeard, who in 2000 oversaw the launch of the A380 as the head of Airbus, deflected suggestions that the setback could cost him his job.
"We have now to find the right ways forward," Forgeard said in a conference call Wednesday.
The troubles at Airbus damage the credibility of EADS management and may bleed over into its defense business.
Already they hit BAE Systems PLC, which owns 20 percent of Airbus but has been seeking to sell its stake. BAE dismissed concerns that the Airbus problems would hurt the price it could get for its stake, and its shares came off earlier lows to end the day down 1.1 percent at 345 pence ($6.35) on the London Stock Exchange.

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Yup...two years ago monsieur Chirac and herr Shroeder were bragging about Airbus surpassing Boeing and becoming the #1 civil aircraft manufacturer in the world.
On their turn, the American liberals were talking about how "advanced" the aeronautic industry in Europe is, how we don't have the brains and the technology to compete with Airbus anymore, how the workers have huge benefits and enjoy 60 days of vacation a year, how retarded our engineers and designers are, how Boeing will file for bancruptcy pretty soon, etc, etc.

Sorry to dissapoint boys, that's not gonna happen. Capitalism always works better than socialism.

:up:

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DaveBj
06-14-2006, 05:46 PM
All together now:

AWWWWWWW!!!!

Antlurz
06-14-2006, 05:51 PM
But airline dissatisfaction with the A350 has forced Airbus to redesign some of its parts and consider a costly overhaul, delaying its launch for several years.
Airbus insisted Wednesday that it was not the A380 itself but minor production problems at fault for the delay.
"There have been minor production issues which have accumulated into a large number and require a complete, very detailed rethinking of the installation process of wires and harnesses," said Thore Prang, spokesman for the company in Hamburg. "It has nothing to do with the aircraft." Snicker. European superiority, as always.

Ron

OFallon
06-14-2006, 05:57 PM
It's alway nice to see the EU succeed and surpass us. :clap: :lool: :lool: :lool: :clap:

ChiefIceWater
06-14-2006, 06:38 PM
Would you like "french flies"with that? :P

Bobby
06-14-2006, 06:52 PM
We are payin for it.
all the subsidies to Boeing.LOL
And I hope they sink the foriegners any how/way.

7.62mmFMJ
06-14-2006, 07:41 PM
:bwaha::clnlol: :bwaha:
:bwaha::clnlol: :bwaha:
:bwaha::clnlol: :bwaha:

It doesn't do any good to sell a plane if you can't build it :lool: :censor: socialism: and :censor: Airbus and :censor: the EU and particularly the French :lool:

Zircon
06-14-2006, 11:00 PM
My sentiments, exactly 7.62. :censor:'em all...especially the french.

A380 is in real trouble. Too heavy to be supported by a lot of taxi ways and ramp margins. I saw a photo of the front landing gear making a turn, and the asphalt was plowed up in front of it from the excessive weight. It's going to require new jetways. It's going to require all new container handling equipment. And of course, new tugs to tow it away from the gates. They built a 5,000 psi hydraulic system (vs. 3,000 psi conventional system) and they don't have strong enough tubing to plumb it together. Wing-to-body structure has to be redesigned - failed fatigue testing. This wiring harness thing is the most benign thing they could have reported so as not to alarm the airlines and investors. It's overweight, and it's never going to be fuel efficient.

Boeing did the absolute right thing with the 787 (Dreamliner.) It's right-sized. It's well along the way on design and construction. It will be the most fuel efficient wide-body out there.

Antlurz
06-15-2006, 01:14 AM
Did the same folks design this that designed the (failed) EU Constitution. :lol:

After all, every third word in their consitiution was "compitence" :lool:

Ron

Olys45
06-15-2006, 04:17 AM
Hopefully this will bleed over to the defense area as well. Northrup Grumman is acting as a front company to bid the A330 as the KC-30 for the latest Air Refueling Tanker for the USAF.
I can only hope that Boeing gets the bid like they should have a couple of years ago so they can start building the plane!

caneman
06-16-2006, 09:18 PM
I also heard on the news today that one of the Airbus (don't know which one) executives and his children sold a big chunk of their stock the day before the announcement. Hard to believe. :( :down:

Antlurz
06-21-2006, 06:08 AM
More Airbus

Airbus deal in jeopardy

International Lease Finance Corp, the world's biggest aircraft-leasing company, may cancel its US$3 billion (HK$23.4 billion) order for Airbus' A380 after the planemaker delayed delivery of the giant airliner for a second time.

Wednesday, June 21, 2006

International Lease Finance Corp, the world's biggest aircraft-leasing company, may cancel its US$3 billion (HK$23.4 billion) order for Airbus' A380 after the planemaker delayed delivery of the giant airliner for a second time.

Airbus told International Lease the order for 10 of the aircraft will now be 12 to 14 months later than the original agreement, said Los Angeles-based International Lease chief executive Steven Udvar-Hazy.

He said the contract lets his company s**** the deal without penalties after a six-month delay.

"We could cancel and are considering canceling all or some of our A380 order," he said. "We're not happy and on safe ground to cancel the order."

Airbus, the world's biggest commercial-airplane maker, had been counting on the A380 to maintain its lead over Boeing. It said on June 13 that wiring problems are hindering production. BLOOMBERG

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