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Popeye
04-15-2007, 02:04 AM
Panel finds injured vets tripped up by red tape
POSTED: 1641 GMT (0041 HKT), April 14, 2007

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Injured soldiers returning home for medical treatment face an unacceptable maze of paperwork and bureaucracy, leaders of a presidential commission on veterans' health care said Saturday.

At their first public hearing, members pledged to work quickly to find solutions rather than assign blame.

"This is not going to be a witch hunt," said former GOP Sen. Bob Dole of Kansas, one of the heads of the Commission on Care for America's Returning Wounded Warriors.

Dole noted that at least nine congressional committees are investigating veterans' health care problems after the disclosures in February of squalid conditions and poor outpatient treatment at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington.

Donna Shalala, health and human services secretary under President Clinton, said the commission planned a report by late July that would be pragmatic and "solution-driven."

"Our timeline for action is very short," she said. As a result, she said commissioners may not be able to visit every military hospital and Veterans Affairs Department clinic to examine conditions.

Shalala said the commission would set up a Web site and telephone hot line and encourage veterans to express their concerns.

Vet: 'I constantly had to re-explain'

The commission heard from three of its members who experienced problems after they or their spouses were injured in Iraq.

Jose Ramos, a student at George Mason University in Virginia, lost an arm during combat in 2004. He praised the medical care at Walter Reed -- once he could get an appointment.

He described having to wait four hours after a scheduled appointment to get in, as well as rescheduling follow-up visits.

"I constantly had to re-explain my symptoms and medical history. It was like starting all over again every time I had an appointment," Ramos said.

Navigating the VA system was just as bad, Ramos said. "The VA system, much like the military medical outprocessing system, is a labyrinth of offices and paperwork that no one seems to want to help with."

Tammy Edwards said the commission's final report would recommend ways to alleviate burdens on families. In 2005, her husband, a U.S. Army staff sergeant, was severely burned in Iraq when a 500-pound bomb exploded under his vehicle.

Spouses, other relatives must take up the burden

Spouses often most drop everything to provide care, and parents and grandparents frequently change their way of life because of the burdens, Edwards said.

"I have watched several marriages fall apart because the spouses did not receive the emotional support necessary to help them through such a challenging time," Edwards said.

When President Bush named Dole and Shalala to head the panel, he said the nation has "a moral obligation to provide the best possible care and treatment to the men and women who served our country."

In recent days, an independent review found that money problems and Pentagon neglect could be blamed for numerous problems found at Walter Reed, including poor outpatient care and haphazard follow-up.

A different panel has raised questions about whether injured soldiers might be shortchanged by the system used for rating their disabilities. Critics say the Pentagon has a strong incentive to assign ratings so the military won't have to pay disability benefits.

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Fuelburns1
04-15-2007, 02:41 AM
:mad: Whomever allowed the system to become so inept should be strung up with red tape.

Antlurz
04-15-2007, 02:49 AM
:mad: Whomever allowed the system to become so inept should be strung up with red tape.Barb wire would work just as good, and you don't need to worry about it falling apart in the rain.

Ron

Popeye
04-15-2007, 03:39 AM
:mad: Whomever allowed the system to become so inept should be strung up with red tape.
I'm afraid that person is long ago dead of old age. I know for a fact that the system has been bureaucratically clogged up since the late 1960s.

OFallon
04-15-2007, 06:16 AM
Popeye, I too know that the VA has been broken since at least 1968. :(

The VA was merely a way for America to house, out of sight and mind, its war wounded. A warehousing system, the VA has never had enough staff or equipment to adequately care... and it has earned the reputation as simply a place to go to die.

It needs torn down, ripped apart and rebuilt.

eljay
04-15-2007, 09:14 AM
I had never been personally involved, and won't be, but saw first hand what you guys are talking about when our son (82nd Airborne) came home from the first Gulf War. It was and is pathetic and, even though I'm not a vet, I would sign on to help any effort to try and get the situation fixed.

kaleidescope
04-15-2007, 09:39 AM
Like all governments, the US has had an absymal record of caring for it's war veterans since the Revolutionary War.

This partly because by the time any conflict is resolved the US Treasury is deeply in debt and anxious to end that accumulation.

But more prominently, since WWI socialism has prominently been fostered in this nation and 'social relief' has superceded military responsibility -- the voice of the non-veteran 'entitlement' populace far outstrips the smaller veteran numbers. IE: more votes at risk for displeasing the whining masses than for betraying our defenders.

And "prosperity quilt" is also a strong factor -- those who were not soldiers or families of soldiers are strongly reminded of how little they really 'suffered' once they begin seeing those injured veterans face to face. And as is often the case, the guilt aversion often turns to outright hostilty in an attempt to assuage itself.

IMO

Saunders
04-15-2007, 09:47 AM
I guess I am not sure why anyone thinks a program run by government is going to be any good. Not that it should not be good for our vets but there is no blueprint of success in any other government program to follow.

I don't know about my ancestors but my Grandfather (WWI) and my Dad (WWII) had little expectations from the VA.

My Dad came through WWII unscathed by my grandfather suffered from mustard gas exposure the rest of his life and actually died in a VA hospital. I think it was in Tampa.

retiredsquid
04-15-2007, 05:52 PM
Why is it any surprise to anyone that our government does not take care of our veterans? The current laws affecting retired military personnel go back to those written by congress to prevent paying due compensation to disabled military retirees from the Civil War. There have been a few cosmetic efforts to correct some of the flaws, but only to calm the masses down and then resume as before. Actually, the VA does a better job of taking care of its folks than the active duty military does. The VA has problems and could do much better, but it is dramatically better than it was even as recently as 10 years ago.

We were promised that we would be taken care of for life if we were hurt in the line of duty or served 20 or more years honorably. This was to compensate for years of shitty duty, poor living conditions, long hours, low pay, etc. That was a bald faced lie. Retirees must pay for their own insurance in the form of Tricare and copayments. Then must pay Medicare Part B when eligible or lose all medical benefits.

I say all of this from personal experience, as I am 100% disabled from the military and hope to begin drawing my full retired pay from 24 years active service by the time I reach 60 -- it would save the VA and Navy a lot of money if they would just OD me and pay my wife the $1,500 my life is worth when I finally die from my service connected disabilities.

So, what makes the current veterans any more special than the hundreds of thousands that came and went before them? The faces change, but the bullshit does not.
Regards,
Rich

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