us model of 1917 winchester


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douglasb
11-07-2007, 03:15 PM
hi ,
any of you guys had any experience with one of these, my son just got one. its a u.s.model of 1917winchester .30-06 i understand the previous owner had a machine shop remove the front and rear sights put it in a walnut sporter stock . it has a real nice hand made but plate and a scope mount was installed on the left side of the reciever the trigger has deep grooves in it like it was knurled (unless it was originaly made that way)same with the butplate. i understand this work was done to it back in the 50,s. we took it to the range and at 100 yd it grouped 5 rounds under 2" a couple times my son shot through the previous shots hole. i was pretty impressed with this rifle our range only goes out to 100 yd, does anybody now of a decent firing range in northeastern md or de that goes out farther, i want to se what this rifle can do, its definetly a long range tack driver, we were using winchester super x 150gr power point.

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ExSniper
11-07-2007, 10:22 PM
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The U.S. Model of 1917 Winchester is a Model 1917 Enfield Military Rifle manufactured from 1917 - 1918, in this case, by the Winchester Repeating Arms Company of New Haven CT.
It is a modified Mauser-type bolt action rifle chambered in 30-06. It has a 26� barrel, 5-shot box magazine, adjustable rear site, and blade front site, supported by a military type stock with a semi-pistol grip. Weight is 9.25 pounds.
It was designed after the English .303 caliber P14 Enfield (Pattern 14) that was being manufactured in the U.S at the time for the British government by three gun U.S. manufacturers: Winchester Repeating Arms Company of New Haven CT, Remington Arms Company of Ilion NY, and Remington Arms Company of DE (actually located in Eddystone PA, later the Midvale Steel & Ordnance Company).
In 1917, the U.S. Government contracted with these three firms to manufacture the same rifle for the U.S. armed forces, only chambered in 30-06. Over 2 million were produced, with the majority surplused (not distributed for service). None were made after WWI, but the U.S. later supplied over 1 million of this surplus of these rifles to Britain during WWII.
My father bought one from an NRA (or similar) surplus sale in 1947 for $11 (yes, eleven dollars). We still own the gun, and here in 2005, I'd rate it an honest 75%. It still shoots well.
The 2002 BBGV rates this gun as follows (add 10% if a Winchester manufacture): 100% $700 . . . 98% $600 . . . 95% $500 . . . 90% $400 . . . 80% $350 . . . 70% $315 . . . 60% $265
Source: Gun Trader's Guide (2002 - Stoeger Publications), the Blue Book of Gun Values (2002 - Blue Book Publications), and of course, Dad.
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Prices for this US martial arm have spiked in the last few years, 2002-2005. Current fair to good examples with bad bores are selling for $500.00 and up. Good rifles with good bores are selling in excess of $700.00.

Popeye
11-07-2007, 11:05 PM
1917 General Information History

A quick overview:

The British Pattern 1914 (P-14) came first. Most were made in the US by Winchester and Remington for export to Great Britain.

Soon after the US entered WWI it became apparent that we didn't have enough, and couldn't quickly make enough, Springfield 1903s to arm our troops. The government ordered Winchester and Remington to chamber P-14s in .30-06 instead of .303. The US Model of the 1917 was born. Eddystone, a subsidiary of Remington, also made many M-17s.

More M-17s were issued to US troops than were Springfield 1903s. After hostilities ended, the M-1917 Enfield was deemed unnecessary and surplussed. Many were sold through the DCM for the princely sum of $7.50. Because of this, The M-17 was the rifle that changed the US from a lever action rifle country to a bolt action rifle country.

The M-17 action is the second strongest bolt action receiver ever mass produced. It has been sporterized to chamber most every high pressure rifle caliber.

Remington used the M-1917 action, lightly and heavily modified, as the basis for its high power rifles well into the 1960s. I believe the Model 721 was the last to use the M-17 action.

All told, the M-1917 is one of the more successful rifles ever produced.

papa g
11-08-2007, 10:37 AM
i am afraid that sons rifle is only worth what it is, a hunting rifle. so it will never be worth anymore than what he paid for it.

it sounds like a great shooter, hope some one knows a range for you.:up:

douglasb
11-08-2007, 06:03 PM
hi guys,
thanks for the info , ive pretty much read everything i could find on this rifle , to bad its not in its original sights and stock. i cant believe how old it is and how good all the metal looks. it looks like the machine shop sand blasted or glass beaded all the metal on it because it almost has parkerized look to it. but it will never be worth more than a decent deer rifle

Antlurz
11-08-2007, 06:27 PM
but it will never be worth more than a decent deer rifleNothing wrong with that. I'd not trade my sporterized one for about anything else as a deer rifle. It has served me very well as such in the 40+ years I've owned it. It does what I tell it to, when I tell it to.

Ron

douglasb
11-08-2007, 08:15 PM
this model 1917 win. is a tack driver , it feels good in your hands and when you fire it its very smooth ,its not a shoulder breaker like some other milsurp rifles i have . we should have got one a long time ago

Pathfinder
11-13-2007, 10:09 AM
They wouldnt, by chance, have the original stock to that would they?:D

Because I need one.:(

douglasb
11-15-2007, 07:58 PM
no i dont have the original stock

Antlurz
11-15-2007, 11:05 PM
They wouldnt, by chance, have the original stock to that would they?:D

Because I need one.:(Put a Fajen Thumbhole on it! ;)

Ron

PaulMcD
09-13-2008, 11:19 PM
Papa is right I have an M1917 Mine is a real mix match and is at best worth between three and five hundred.But they are good shooters and for the most part you should be able to get good shot groups at three to four hundred metersCollector wise you must have everything matching.Parts,
numbers etc.Historically it is a very important part of Americana, and in this respect is worth a great deal more than the M1903.

bluedlightning
09-13-2008, 11:46 PM
Does your rifle have a barrel date near where the front sight used to be? That will tell you if its has a oringal WWI barrel or a replacement barrel from WWII. Your barrel if oringal shoud have a 3 to 4 didgit number blow a W. or if replaced for the second war have the letter JA. Or it might be rebarreled with a sporter barrel.

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