[opsboss]

Say, now this looks like fun! .50-95, huh? Well, it ain't gonna be for the faint-hearted, that's for sure. :D

Best, Ops

[Antlurz]

Ourghta be slappin de snot outcha~! :D

[Mike Weber]

That crescent buttplate gets downright painful when shooting those heavy kickers.

[OFallon]

What's ammo cost - $65 a box?

[Mike Weber]

Probably more than that unless you're buying "Basic Brass" from DGW and forming your own brass. These type of cartridges are an expensive proposition unles you can build up a supply of brass.

[StrawHat]

I recall reading somewhere that the cartridge was used for tiger hunting in India. Not sure if it was in the 1876 or a double or single shot.

Right now, I have others things in que but the 1876 in 50 is in the top five on my want list.

And the cresent plate isn't all that bad, my M1895/405 comes back with authority but it is not the big bad monster some would have you think.

[Mike Weber]

The .405 out of an 1895 is fairly tame compared to some of the other BP cartridges. I Shot a Sharps in 50-140 that had a crescent butt plate and the recoil dynamics on that one were miserable. I do like the 1876 and 1886 Winnies though.

[Nathan C Lewis]

If I paid 7000$ for a Rifle my Wife would use it on me!!:psycho: :psycho: Nate

[Old Soldier]

If I was going to spind 7,000 on a rifle,I would get the Barreett 82A1.:D :D :D :D

[Mike Weber]

Where do yall get the $7000.00 figure. I see the same rifle on gunsamerica for $1249.00

[Nathan C Lewis]

www.cabelas.com/gun-inventory---buda---win-rifle---636632-win76td-bud.shtml - 54k - Cached (http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:x0SEWuLhQPMJ:www.cabelas.com/gun-inventory---buda---win-rifle---636632-win76td-bud.shtml+1876+50+95&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us) - Here it is,Nate

[OFallon]

That gun's recoil would kill mere mortals or hurt them enough to make them squeal like little girls! :psycho:

[opsboss]

MSRP is $1350.70.
http://www.cimarron-firearms.com/RepeatingRifles/1876Cent.htm

Ten-X makes .50-95 WCF loaded ammunition (both smokeless and BP) for $85 to $90 a box of 20.

Bertram .50-95 WCF cases (correct headstamp) are available for around $3.00 each. Or you can form them from Starline .50-90 Sharps cases for about half that (or less). RCBS has dies.

A variety of bullet molds are available from Lee, Lyman, RCBS, and others.

Then it’s just a matter of a primer and that big scoop of black powder that goes in each case.

Best, Ops

[Mike Weber]

Nate that link from Cabelas that you posted is a restored original. This Cimarron rifle is a reproduction. Big price difference.

[OFallon]

Yep. Gonna buy one - for sure! Ammo is cheap, the gun is cheap and you never know when you might see a Mastodon, Mammoth or Saber-tooth while out hunting dinosaurs.

Good grief... :psycho:

[Mike Weber]

It would be a good choice for close encounters with moose or Griz, especially pushing 500 gr boolits.

[StrawHat]

And it gets it all done with lead bullets.

Of course, you don't have to fill the case full, reduced loads can be used.

[OFallon]

Mike, realistically, I can see no benefit over my .45-70 - especially in that I can "control" the recoil enough to get a good second shot.

By the way, I am negotiating a trade/cash deal on a Pedersoli/Navy Arms double rifle in .45-70! I'll be just like Jim Corbett, then! I'll go tiger hunting... :D

[Mike Weber]

By the way, I am negotiating a trade/cash deal on a Pedersoli/Navy Arms double rifle in .45-70!
That would be the Kodiak Rifle. Let us know how it shoots. I've got the Pedersoli 10 gauge SXS muzzleloading shotgun. Haven't used it much since they made steel shot mandatory for waterfowl. That 1876 Winny isn't a bad rifle I would prefer a shotgun style butsttock to that crescent buttplate on a rifle in that caliber. Those Big Lube Bullets molds produce superb blackpowder bullets for the 45-70 and 45-90. I do believe that they offer one in .50 cal that would work well with the .50-95

[Seamaster]

Setting the caliber debate aside, that sure is one 'purdy looking rifle. :up:

[opsboss]

I've been wanting a Sharps ever since the first time I saw Quigley Down Under. This 1876 might be a slightly more practical alternative while retaining the same period flavor (and at about the same price).

Sure would be fun to take along on a bison "hunt" in the Dakotas.

Best, Ops

[Mike Weber]

The Winny does have some definate advantages over a Sharps. If you've ever hunted with a Sharps they are heavy to pack around. There was a reason that the buffalo hunters hauled em around in a wagon. That Winny would be easy handling other than recoil and a dandy rifle to carry in a saddle scabbard another plus is having a quick follow up shot available if you ever need it. The 50-95 has plenty of punch and is very close ballistically to the 50-90 Sharps or the cartridge known as the "Big Fifty". I could picture that rifle being a great performer with a midrange tang site on it.

[7.62mmFMJ]

"That's gonna leave a mark" :D

What a thumper. I bought some Garretts from Richard J (45/70) with a 540 grain projectile moving along at 1,550 fps. Pretty darn stout :eek:

I also have some Garrett 420 gr moving at 1850 fps which really hurt.

50-95 Winchester Express 450gr RNFP 1301 fps

[budroe]

A beautiful rifle!!!

[opsboss]

I could picture that rifle being a great performer with a midrange tang site on it.
My thinking exactly!

50-95 Winchester Express 450gr RNFP 1301 fps
I don’t know what the twist is in Cimmaron’s rifle, but I’d wage it’s a bit slow for the 450-grain bullets. The original was an “express” design, best suited for 300 to 350-grain bullets. So, I’m thinking maybe a 300 at around 1400fps for deer/antelope and a 350 at around 1300 fps for elk/moose/bison would be just about right. (Either would also help tame the recoil just a touch.)

Hmmm. I’m gonna have myself talked into this in no time at all. :bonk:

But first… does anyone know if somebody makes a reproduction 1886 in .50-110 Express? That’d be way cool too.

Best, Ops

[Wayne the Shrink]

The .405 out of an 1895 is fairly tame compared to some of the other BP cartridges. I Shot a Sharps in 50-140 that had a crescent butt plate and the recoil dynamics on that one were miserable. I do like the 1876 and 1886 Winnies though.

Mike, maybe a mis-type but the 405 Win. never was a BP round. It was smokeless from the beginning. It comes back very similar to the Trapdoor Springfield pushing a 500 gr. bullet. That's pushing a 350 lead or a 300 jacketed a lot faster than the Trapdoor.

Yeah, it's noticable.