HeyO.S. et.al.value?please?


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maxiball
02-08-2008, 01:40 PM
Anshutz M-1416, caliber 2.. rimfire, pro'ly l.r. only, clip fed, 90% or better, some wear on trigger gaurd, barrel, action, wood, nice.
No figure, just straight, nice harwood, pro'ly Euro walnut?
Looks like cheap cast or stamped pot metal trigger gaurd where the color wore off.
Imagine that. On an Annie!:mad:
The guy wants my .223 H&R singleshot with cheapo 4X14 60 buck WalMart scope and $125 bucks.
I'm into the .223 real light and don't, never did like it.
I guess money wise I'd be into the Annie about 3 to 3.25.
Thoughts appreciated.

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OFallon
02-08-2008, 02:10 PM
Factory New - $789.95

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=8473435

Nobody
02-08-2008, 02:34 PM
If you'd like a 'quality' 22 Maxi, jump on it for that kind of bucks.The 1415-1416's are built on the Anschutz 64 action. It's just a smaller less expensive version of the famed 54 Anschutz match action. The 64 actioned sporters will give the 54 sporters a 'run for their money' accuracy wise and as a general rule will beat most any other sporter out there with maybe the exception of the Coopers, possibly a few Kimbers, & maybe the New Ultra Light Arms 22.

The way I understand it, they're now stamped 1415-1416 with the only difference being the ones with 'hardwood' stocks are the 1415 & the walnut stocks are 1416. If the bolt handle has a 'plastic' knob it's a very recent model (within the past year or two) otherwise it could be any year model since mid 1980s. There should be a 2-letter code on the left side of the barrel just in front of the receiver that'll tell you the proof (mfg) date. Don't have the code list right in front of me but if you can get the code I think I can tell ya the mfg year.

As for the trigger guard, unless it's been changed out by someone, it's the same stamped, formed, steel guard that Anschutz has been using on the 64 sporters since at least the early 1960s when Savage was importing them.

I have 3 of the 64 actioned sporters, one 22LR & two 22WMR, all Savage-Anschutz marked, mfg'd in the 1960's, plus a 1984 mfg 54 action 1422 Sporter in 22LR. Don't plan to get rid of any of them unless I happen to make a good trade with one of the 64 22Mags for a 54 action 22Mag.

Current BBGV shows the 1416 as around $819 NIB, & from $715 at 100% down incrementally to around $240 at 60%. IMO anything under $400 invested in a decent 64 action sporter is money ahead! All three of mine are better'n 90%, a couple near 100% & I don't believe I'd let any of 'em go for under BBV, if that! If you appreciate a quality walnut & steel rimfire, you can't go wrong with an Anschutz.

If ya get it tho, don't fall into the trap lots of owners (& others) do & start using the diminuitive 'Annie' when referring to it. Calling an Anschutz by anything other than that is not showing/giving due respect to such a quality piece. JMHO, YMMV. :D

Shootzum
02-08-2008, 04:16 PM
I'd do that deal in a heartbeat. :up:

maxiball
02-08-2008, 04:30 PM
It is now in my hot grubby hands.
It has better looking wood than the one on A A, the bolt handle is different.
It is marked 1415/16. but oddly pronounces Anshutz-Savage "Made in West Germany".
I thought they stopped the east/west German thing when the wall fell?
I'm going to shoot it shortly and rip off that awful fixed 4X Tasco.:down:
I'm into it for 3 and a 25 tops so based on what you guys say I dun downright good.:D
Here's a quick pic.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/jeager106/anshutzwilliamssights001.jpg

Old Soldier
02-08-2008, 04:33 PM
MODEL 1416D CUSTOM (LUXUS)

- .22 LR cal., Match 64 action, 22 1/2 in. barrel, 5- or 10-shot mag., cam cocking system on recent mfg., checkered Monte Carlo walnut stock, folding leaf sight, 6 lbs. 2 oz.

100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60%
$715 $575 $475 $375 $300 $250 $225

MSR $819
This model utilizes the Match 64 action, similar to the Anschütz Model 1403 Target.
Add $40 for left-hand action.

MODEL 1416D CLASSIC

- same specifications as Model 1416D Custom, except straight hardwood stock.

100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60%
$715 $575 $475 $375 $315 $260 $240


MSR $819
Add $40 for left-hand action (Model 1416LD).
Add $28 for iron sights (disc. 2006).

maxiball
02-08-2008, 04:41 PM
Helllllllllllp Mods et. al.
In my haste to fix the Ashutz pic the mahinery asked me reason for editing so I wrote
head up my ass and thats what turned up in the post title.
GULP!
You guz gotz erasers?

Old Soldier
02-08-2008, 04:48 PM
maxi, Go into the Advance edit and you can change it.

Nobody
02-08-2008, 06:15 PM
Maxi, that pic don't look anything like the 1415-1416 rifles I'm familiar with. Looks more like one of the early sporters imported during the 1960s. Not sure what action that is (maybe a verrrry early 64 type??) but it looks like some I've seen with the safety button on the left side, otherwise very similar to the entry level 1451 rifles of a couple of years ago. Don't think I've ever seen a Savage-Anschutz with that action (don't mean there ain't none tho :P ). Also has some resemblence to the 'Woodchucker' youth rifles from some years back. Can you post some clear pix of the action area with bolt both open & closed, & maybe of the barrel/receiver markings? Here's a few pix of a youth model Woodchucker, & of a model 1450 that appears identical to the Woodchucker except for full size stock. The stock on your rifle doesn't 'jibe' with any of the 64 action Anschutz's I'm familiar with (except maybe the Savage Anschutz 141 & it definitely ain't that one?? The West Germany stamp merely means your rifle was mfg'd before the 'collapse' of the eastern bloc (before 1990 or so).

Woodchucker
http://www.jesseshunting.com/photopost/data/500/pix450636890.jpg
http://www.jesseshunting.com/photopost/data/500/pix450636812.jpg

1450
http://www.jesseshunting.com/photopost/data/500/pix575046406.jpg
http://www.jesseshunting.com/photopost/data/500/pix575042031.jpg

CA357
02-08-2008, 11:36 PM
It is now in my hot grubby hands.
It has better looking wood than the one on A A, the bolt handle is different.
It is marked 1415/16. but oddly pronounces Anshutz-Savage "Made in West Germany".
I thought they stopped the east/west German thing when the wall fell?
I'm going to shoot it shortly and rip off that awful fixed 4X Tasco.:down:
I'm into it for 3 and a 25 tops so based on what you guys say I dun downright good.:D
Here's a quick pic.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/jeager106/anshutzwilliamssights001.jpg

Geez Del. You just got it and you killed all that firewood already?

Popeye
02-09-2008, 12:18 AM
Savage imported Anschutz rifle were available from 1963 through 1981 and have Savage/Anschutz barrel markings. During the period when Savage was importing Anschutz rifles, certain models in the Anschutz line were designated either "Savage-Anschutz" or "Anschutz-Savage" for sales by Savage in the U.S.

plink&protect
02-09-2008, 02:23 AM
"Made in West Germany" dates it pre-wall fall.

maxiball
02-09-2008, 03:40 AM
I'll get better pics later.
The barrel says Anschutz-Savage.

maxiball
02-09-2008, 07:19 AM
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/jeager106/anshutzwilliamssights006.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/jeager106/anshutzwilliamssights005.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/jeager106/anshutzwilliamssights004.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/jeager106/anshutzwilliamssights002-1.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/jeager106/anshutzwilliamssights001-1.jpg

I'm not the best at taking pics, don't know if the details came out like numbers and such.
Clearly it's French or Euro walnut, not birch, had cut if not machine cut checkering, nice dark bluing.
Does not look like the 64 action to me at all.
Any guesses?

Nobody
02-09-2008, 08:28 AM
I'm gonna go out on a 'short limb' here & say that's one of the Savage rifles that was exported to Europe during the Savage-Anschutz cooperative venture (1963-81).

Most of the 'action' was in our direction with Savage importing lots of rimfire Anschutz rifles with the 'Savage-Anschutz' roll mark & some few with the 'Anschutz-Savage' marks. A somewhat lesser number were savage rifles (mostly the 110 model center fires but apparently some rimfires also) exported with the 'Anschutz-Savage' stamp.

According to info I've found on various forums & internet sources, the "Anschutz-Savage" rifles are 'less desirable' than the true Anschutz actioned rifles. :P

I haven't been able to find a good color pic (only B/W in the Gun Traders Guide & the Standard Catalog of Firearms) but your rifle is a 'dead ringer' for either the Savage Model 34 or Model 65. The reverse angle foretip, Monte carlo style buttstock, & the odd shaped trigger guard are all indicative of those two models. Appears the wood on yours far exceeds that of the models 34/65 so it may indeed have been made for export & somehow either 'missed' being shipped, or returned to the USA.

The 1416 model designation is curious tho, never knew about that. :confused:

Sounds/looks like you've got a nice one tho. :up:

Plinker
02-09-2008, 07:46 PM
Nice look'n rifle.

will46
02-09-2008, 08:47 PM
I'm betting it will shoot. So, if you can do without the snob appeal of the Anshutz-only name, you might have a real bargain.

Nobody
02-09-2008, 11:38 PM
I'm betting it will shoot. So, if you can do without the snob appeal of the Anshutz-only name, you might have a real bargain.
Hey, it's already got the Anschutz name, & I've never seen a Savage that wasn't a pretty good shooter. In addition, if it's one of the 'export' rifles, that alone makes it a kinda 'rare bird' here in the USA. If it's as I suspect, one of the Savages mfg'd for export, a fellow'd look long & hard to find another. I've never personally seen one & only know of their existence thru internet blurbs & such. None of my firearms references shows any model #'s nor gives any value, only vague references in a couple of places that they were mfg'd & shipped.

Maxi, I'm unable to make out the stamping in your pix. I'm particularly interested in the barrel marking that identifies the model. If you can't post a clearer pic could you possibly type the exact wording, & also give the Brand Identifier(s) & where they are stamped on the receiver? It appears that there is a date stamp on the left side of the barrel just in front of the receiver, along with at least one proof mark. Is that how you identified it as a 60's rifle?

I'm kinda an Anschutz 'nut' & this is an interesting 'curiousity' if it's what I think it may be. :P

flysalot
02-10-2008, 08:05 AM
Nice grab Dell!

It looks really nice, Enjoy!

maxiball
02-10-2008, 08:53 AM
I'm betting it will shoot. So, if you can do without the snob appeal of the Anshutz-only name, you might have a real bargain.

No 'snob' appeal on my end, just easier to type Annie than AnchUtz-Savage Modell1415/16.

Flys, nobody, et. al. I'm real curious about this strange Annie, or Savage, whichever.
On the right side if the barrel it says AnschUtz-Savage Modell 1415/16.
On the left side of the barrel it says: J.G. AnschUtz GMBH, Waffenfabrik ULM/D West Germany.

On the left side of the barrel, near the receiver there is a symbol, the numbers "65" and another symbol.
Can't make out the symbols though.
The wording on the barrel suggests it's an Anschutz, made before the fall of the wall in W. Germany but the action certainly suggests it's a Savage.
If it's a Savage it's an odd ball Savage with some darned nice wood and nice bluing.
Great trigger too that breaks at about 2 pounds, very crisp and clean.
Anyone know what this well made rifle is?
Annie or Savage? Both?

Nobody
02-10-2008, 07:40 PM
Maxi, the action, (receiver,trigger group, bolt, & mag well) is almost surely a Savage, more'n likely a model 34 or 64 (see first pic). With the rollmarks you describe, it may well be an Anschutz mfg'd barrel. Never seen wood like that on the Savage rimfires so it's probably an Anschutz addition also. Going a little further out on this 'short limb', I'll say Anschutz imported the action, or perhaps the barreled action from Savage as part of their cooperative venture, added their proprietary roll marks & model ID, 'proofed' the barreled action & stocked it with a nice grade of walnut for sale on the European market. As for the 'proof' mark near the date stamp, I'm posting pix of the two different proofmarks that Anschutz used during that period. Betcha the marks on your rifle is one of them - In any case we know that it is a less than common item, very little definitive info available, & you say it's a shooter; I'd say you picked a winner :up:

http://www.jesseshunting.com/photopost/data/500/medium/Savage_34_65_scan_pix.jpg

Here's pix of the roll marks
http://www.jesseshunting.com/photopost/data/500/Copy_of_DSCN3179.JPG
http://www.jesseshunting.com/photopost/data/500/Copy_of_DSCN3178.JPG

maxiball
02-10-2008, 08:07 PM
nobody:
Well ain't you a deep well of information!
The bottom pic is indeed the proof mark on the rifle and the number is 65, the serial number is 4 digit.
The proof mark on the barrel and receiver match, there are no other marks on the receiver other than the proof mark.
I agree the action is Savage/Stevens all the way.
l'll try to post better detailed pics of the markings soon.

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