Ruger SP101


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flounder22
03-12-2008, 12:19 AM
Using the Search thing, I have found out that most of you guys here have good things to say about the Ruger revolvers. I had my mind almost made up to buy a new S&W Mod.60 J-Frame 357 with a 3in. barrel until I saw a Ruger SP101 357 with a 3 1/16in. barrel in a gun shop today. NIB $449. It really felt good in my hand and I did not think that it was all that ugly as some would say. I would love to hear from some of you who own or have owned the SP101. We all know the Smith`s are great but there is just something I really like about the Ruger and I don`t think it`s just the price difference. Buy the way, I bought a new Smith 642 today for my pocket that I really love and think I`ll add some CT 405 Laser Grips to it. Anyway ya`ll please tell me what you think about the Ruger SP101 and forgive me for running on here. Thanks for any replies. :)

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Popeye
03-12-2008, 12:28 AM
The Ruger does not have S&W's infernal, internal lock.

CA357
03-12-2008, 12:33 AM
You can darn near drive a tank over a Ruger, give it a wipe and send more rounds downrange.

Popeye
03-12-2008, 12:46 AM
The Ruger does not have S&W's infernal, internal lock.
That being said, my daily carry piece is a (pre-lock) S&W Model 60 chambered in .38 Special.

jimfox
03-12-2008, 05:53 AM
I own a sample of both and the 3 inch Model 60 is my favorite of the two. But I rarely shoot .357's through it. It's sighted in for S&B 158 grain FMJFP and does real good as a general purpose farm/utility gun.

wadcutter
03-12-2008, 06:44 AM
Simply put, the Ruger SP101 is in a class all by itself. Even the excellent model Smith 60 can't compare for strength and durabilty. I don't think you can shoot one loose.

The 3 inch 101 is a great size and more versatile then the 2 1/4 inch. They're both belt guns, so the extra 3/4 inch length isn't any harder to conceal.

I made three modifications to mine. I ground the 90 degree corners off the hammer spur for a rounded profile. They come from the factory with a sharp edge that will gouge you. I also radiused the edge of the trigger face. Ruger leaves them with a sharp edge that digs in to your finger if shooting it double action. It took about twenty minutes with a dremel and some sand paper to do both modifications. The last thing I did was install a Hi Viz front sight so I could see the sights. It made a big difference to me.

Lots of guys install reduced power hammer springs to lighten up the double action trigger pull. I've left mine stock and it has smoothed up nicely. The gun now has a very comfortable double action pull. I can slowly pull the double action trigger back and feel the cylinder stop drop in to the cylinder notch. It's like firing it single action. It has a very manageable trigger pull.

The 101 is very easy to disassemble and I strip it down every time I clean it.

The SP101 rocks!

Sir Knight
03-12-2008, 08:11 AM
I can fit the 2.25 inch Ruger in my rear pocket without a problem. The one thing about it that I don't like is the cylinger latch. When carrying in my rear pocket, it can be easily pressed and when I pull out the gun, the cylinder flies open. Not so with the S&W.

The 3" model is defintely a belt gun and I regularily carry it when hiking in the woods behind my house in the summer. During the winter, I switch to my 4" Redhawk in .45 Colt.

Wuchak
03-12-2008, 08:30 AM
I can fit the 2.25 inch Ruger in my rear pocket without a problem. The one thing about it that I don't like is the cylinger latch. When carrying in my rear pocket, it can be easily pressed and when I pull out the gun, the cylinder flies open. Not so with the S&W.

The 3" model is defintely a belt gun and I regularily carry it when hiking in the woods behind my house in the summer. During the winter, I switch to my 4" Redhawk in .45 Colt.


Are you using a holster in your back pocket?

Sir Knight
03-12-2008, 08:49 AM
I carry them in a holster on my belt.

In the summer (when carrying the SP101), I have a long shirt over it -- which keeps it concealed from regular sight although a bulge is noticeable. However, having a permit to carry (no where on the PA Permit is the word "Concealed" present), that hopefully will never be a problem especially since I'm "sort of" in my backyard.

In the winter, it's the same concept except with a slightly bigger gun and with a bigger winter coat to cover it.

Old John
03-12-2008, 09:31 AM
I love mine. An SP101 is my daily companion.
They are what they Are!
Solid, a little heavier, a little stronger......

I've shot S&W's. I bought Rugers.
I actually have several.

Wayne the Shrink
03-12-2008, 10:16 AM
You can darn near drive a tank over a Ruger, give it a wipe and send more rounds downrange.

On soft ground you could!

Amend2
03-14-2008, 07:26 AM
The 3" Ruger SP101 has the weight and feel needed to comfortably shoot full-power .357 loads, and the size to be reasonably concealable. Overall, a great CCW package.

Oriondk
03-14-2008, 09:11 AM
I've read enough about these to know that I am going to buy one in .327 Federal. It will probably be my next handgun purchase.

rotorhead
03-14-2008, 09:52 AM
The 101 is my daily carry. Rarely do I shoot full house .357 loads. It's a little much for plinking. but still manageable. It's the one revo I own that I would not consider trading or selling. :up:

flounder22
03-14-2008, 05:03 PM
Thank you my friends. Hope to have a new SP101 3in. 357/38 come middle of next week. :thankx:

res
03-14-2008, 06:10 PM
After you get it, you can use the factory grips and I liked those quite well. I have a 2" 357. I then bought a pair of Hogue factory seconds wood grips and that was even better. My wife can handle about any box ammo out there with it. You will like it. I have had only one issue with the gun and it turned out to be my reloaded lead bullets were not crimped tightly enough and they were slipping in the cases jamming the cylinder. That was a reload problem. I added more crimp and never an issue again. Mine shoots a touch high out of the box. Not bad and if I choose it could be easily sighted by filing the front site some. Rick

JWM
03-14-2008, 09:21 PM
Great gun, built like a tank. But if your intending to carry and train with full-house .357's I hope you have better luck than I did. I could never shoot it well enough to trust it past point blank. Well, a few feet further, but not much.;) Congrats on the purchase.

Urzandowski
03-14-2008, 11:16 PM
My Wife loves her SP-101. Weve been out target shooting a lot these days. :up: But anyway, she says, " its pretty" :D

flounder22
03-15-2008, 06:54 PM
Thanks y`all for all the replies, I can`t wait to get the little jewel. Will put some Houge rubber on and then look into some wood just for fun and show. :D

Dframe
03-16-2008, 12:09 PM
I put the lighter wolff springs in mine and the trigger improved a lot.
Then because of my overly large hands I replaced the original stocks with a Houge monogrip to keep the trigger ring from bashing the joint on my middle finger. After that it handled quite well but mine always shot low. I eventually sold it.

flounder22
03-16-2008, 07:18 PM
Hate to hear that, About putting in the wolf springs, is this fairly easy to do and what would happen if the gun ever had to go back to Ruger for repair?

Popeye
03-16-2008, 07:19 PM
what would happen if the gun ever had to go back to Ruger for repair?
Ruger would remove the Wolff springs and replace them with stock springs.

JWM
03-16-2008, 07:34 PM
For all the good things about the SP101, it seemed to have about 1/3 longer trigger pull than a Smith. When you're a recoil weenie like me it seemed to exacerbate the flinch of knowing you're about to touch off a very hot round. That's why I gave up on mine.

I replaced it with a Kahr PM9. Despite the last thread on .357 and 9mm - I'll take the Kahr every time. You gotta hit first and I can do that with my Kahr.

I tried for the longest to master the .357 snubbie but it's not in me. <shrug> Hat's off to everyone who can, I had to downsize a little to find something small and potent I can shoot well and fast. I don't regret that any.

wadcutter
03-16-2008, 09:11 PM
Ruger would remove the Wolff springs and replace them with stock springs.

True enough, but they would return your Wolff springs with the gun.

jimfox
03-16-2008, 10:27 PM
Hate to hear that, About putting in the wolf springs, is this fairly easy to do and what would happen if the gun ever had to go back to Ruger for repair?
Your gun would be fixed. Probably you'd get new springs with the old ones in a small glassine envelope.

The probability that this would happen is low. Really low. And if it did? So?

I like the S&W Model 60. It's my sweety.

I do admire the SP101 - I have 3 and have no intention of lowering my inventory.

flounder22
03-17-2008, 10:38 AM
You know, I keep hearing/reading that a lot of folks don`t like shootin 357 from a snub J-frame type revolver due to the recoil. Well, the SP101 I plan to buy is the 3 1/16 in. barrel and I plan on putting some Houge grips on it. And I plan on shooting 38`s at the range as well as the 357`s and will carry with 357`s. Should I rethink this thing and look at some heavier 357`s. I don`t think the recoil thing is going to bother me but I don`t want to get it and then not like shooting the 357 rounds. I really like the way the SP101 fills, the look of it and the price. The recoil in 357 can`t be all that bad or am I in for a shock?

jimfox
03-17-2008, 11:28 AM
You'll definately know you've fired a real gun when you touch off full power .357 loads in the SP101. Still you'll find it considerably more comfortable (and controllable) than a comparable J-frame. Most especially a J-frame with a light alloy frame.

As noted above I have a sample of both guns you considered - the S&W Model 60 with the three inch barrel and the SP101 with the 3+ inch barrel. I have the j-frame sighted in with .38 Special loads. When the SP101 sees some belt time I load it with .357 rounds.

Wuchak
03-17-2008, 11:43 AM
You know, I keep hearing/reading that a lot of folks don`t like shootin 357 from a snub J-frame type revolver due to the recoil. Well, the SP101 I plan to buy is the 3 1/16 in. barrel and I plan on putting some Houge grips on it. And I plan on shooting 38`s at the range as well as the 357`s and will carry with 357`s. Should I rethink this thing and look at some heavier 357`s. I don`t think the recoil thing is going to bother me but I don`t want to get it and then not like shooting the 357 rounds. I really like the way the SP101 fills, the look of it and the price. The recoil in 357 can`t be all that bad or am I in for a shock?

It's not bad at all, especially with Hogues. They are considerably more comfortable than the factory grips with full .357 mag loads and when shooting 50+ rounds at the range I put the Hogues on. For carry the Hogues are just enough longer than the factory that I find them annoying and the sticky rubber catches on my shirt. The factory grips with their smooth side inserts are perfect for carry and if you're only shooting 5 - 10 rounds they manage the recoil fine.

flounder22
03-17-2008, 11:43 AM
You'll definately know you've fired a real gun when you touch off full power .357 loads in the SP101. Still you'll find it considerably more comfortable (and controllable) than a comparable J-frame. Most especially a J-frame with a light alloy frame.

As noted above I have a sample of both guns you considered - the S&W Model 60 with the three inch barrel and the SP101 with the 3+ inch barrel. I have the j-frame sighted in with .38 Special loads. When the SP101 sees some belt time I load it with .357 rounds. Thanks jimfox. When you say, full power 357 loads, are there any (less then full power 357 loads) that you would reconmend?

flounder22
03-17-2008, 11:51 AM
Thanks for your input also Wuchak, I`m gonna get the thing, hang on tight to it and enjoy.

Dframe
03-17-2008, 11:58 AM
Full house 357's out of a tiny light weight J frame are NOT fun.
A sp-101 is an entirely different animal, considerably heavier.
It's a trade off. Do you have a REAL need for light weight or can
you live with a few extra ounces? The lighter the gun the greater the
recoil. "Captain I canna change the laws of physics"

jimfox
03-17-2008, 12:02 PM
Thanks jimfox. When you say, full power 357 loads, are there any (less then full power 357 loads) that you would reconmend?
I don't know of any factory "soft" loads. That doesn't mean there aren't any, it just means I don't know of any. If you handload then you have virtually unlimited possibilities.

Of course there are always one version of .38 Special or another. If you shoot a lot of .38 Special you should clean the chambers really well when you shift back to .357.

flounder22
03-17-2008, 12:12 PM
I don't know of any factory "soft" loads. That doesn't mean there aren't any, it just means I don't know of any. If you handload then you have virtually unlimited possibilities.

Of course there are always one version of .38 Special or another. If you shoot a lot of .38 Special you should clean the chambers really well when you shift back to .357. Thanks, I do not handload. One more quick question while I have you here. Say I shoot 50 rounds of 38`s at the range and then want to shoot say 15 to 30 rounds of 357, do i need to do a cleaning first?

Popeye
03-17-2008, 01:09 PM
1.) Recoil is a subjective thing. You will not know how recoil will effect you until you pull the trigger.

2.) You should not need to clean the cylinder after firing that few .38 Specials. Once again, the proof is in the pudding. If you encounter difficult insertion or extraction of the .357 Magnum rounds after shooting .38 Specials, clean the cylinder.

flounder22
03-17-2008, 01:29 PM
Thanks Popeye and everybody else. Are there any light load 357 rounds to be had?

Popeye
03-17-2008, 02:28 PM
Are there any light load 357 rounds to be had?
Not that I am aware of. Course, there are +P and +P+ .38 Special loads available.

flounder22
03-17-2008, 02:41 PM
Thanks my friend.

Oriondk
03-17-2008, 09:19 PM
Thanks Popeye and everybody else. Are there any light load 357 rounds to be had?

Years ago I shot some 110 grn 357 loads in a SP101 and they didn't seem all that bad.

flounder22
03-17-2008, 10:43 PM
Thanks. Ya know, when it gets down to it, I ain`t scared of no stinken recoil. :up:

Zen900
03-17-2008, 11:41 PM
I saw a Ruger online ad for the SP101. It specifically mentions the new 327 Federal size they have built the SP for. At first I thought it was misprint for .357 but it wasn't.

flounder22
03-17-2008, 11:48 PM
I saw a Ruger online ad for the SP101. It specifically mentions the new 327 Federal size they have built the SP for. At first I thought it was misprint for .357 but it wasn't. Yes, but unless i am mistaken, this is entirly different gun and like most here, i will wait till the 327 ammo is easy to find, ya`ll please correct me if i am wrong.

Zen900
03-17-2008, 11:52 PM
Yes, but unless i am mistaken, this is entirly different gun and like most here, i will wait till the 327 ammo is easy to find, ya`ll please correct me if i am wrong.

I think a lot of shooters will do that. Pretty daring on Ruger's part I'd say.

flounder22
03-18-2008, 12:11 AM
Yep, i`m going first thing tomorrow and pick up a SP101 3 1/16 in. 357 and then a Smith 642.

Oriondk
03-18-2008, 01:13 AM
Yes, but unless i am mistaken, this is entirly different gun and like most here, i will wait till the 327 ammo is easy to find, ya`ll please correct me if i am wrong.

I like the idea of the 327 Federal Magnum(as obvious from other posts I've made about it). I don't think I'm going to wait and see. I'll probably get one as soon as I have the $$$$$$. And six shots sounds better than five to me, also.:D
Another good read about it here:
http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-SP101-327.htm

Zen900
03-18-2008, 01:57 AM
Thanks for that link Orion. That's a large review for Gunblast. Maybe the longest. I don't think I have seen a review as glowing as that one either.

Wayne the Shrink
03-18-2008, 06:29 AM
And, Flounder, you are just begining to realize the advantages of learning to reload. The real advantage is that you will be able to shoot at least three times as much for the same money!

flounder22
03-19-2008, 09:55 AM
And, Flounder, you are just begining to realize the advantages of learning to reload. The real advantage is that you will be able to shoot at least three times as much for the same money! You got that right Wayne. I went yesterday and bought the Smith 642-2 and the Ruger SP-101 357 and 2 different types of ammo for both. That ammo sure ain`t getting any cheaper! I may have to consider getting into the reload thing.

Wuchak
03-19-2008, 10:28 AM
Some good reading on the SP101
The redoubtable Ruger SP101: unusually rugged for its size, this accurate revolver is a favorite among serious shooters and pistol-packers - Guns Magazine, August, 2007, by Massad Ayoob


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_8_53/ai_n19313632


Stainless steel snubby: the Ruger SP101 revolver - Sighting In - Evaluation -Shooting Industry, July, 1992

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3197/is_n7_v37/ai_12789747

flounder22
03-19-2008, 04:56 PM
Good reading indeed, thank you Wuchak

JWM
03-21-2008, 10:33 PM
1.) Recoil is a subjective thing. You will not know how recoil will effect you until you pull the trigger.

No doubt. I sold my snubbie .357 years ago - it didn't agree with me. Recently at the range a dad and wife were shooting with their daughter. Her favorite was some small .357 that was magna ported - maybe a Taurus? I was in the next chair over and flinching from the blast - and she was grinning. She looked maybe 100 lbs and maybe 18.

2.) You should not need to clean the cylinder after firing that few .38 Specials. Once again, the proof is in the pudding. If you encounter difficult insertion or extraction of the .357 Magnum rounds after shooting .38 Specials, clean the cylinder.

Yep. Ruger quality isn't what it used to be, one chamber on my SP101 was tighter than the rest. I should have had that fixed on one of it's two trips back to 'get right' but never did. Always fixed it when cleaning it.

JWM
03-21-2008, 10:43 PM
Some good reading on the SP101
The redoubtable Ruger SP101: unusually rugged for its size, this accurate revolver is a favorite among serious shooters and pistol-packers - Guns Magazine, August, 2007, by Massad Ayoob


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_8_53/ai_n19313632


Stainless steel snubby: the Ruger SP101 revolver - Sighting In - Evaluation -Shooting Industry, July, 1992

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3197/is_n7_v37/ai_12789747

Massad Ayoob played the lead role in getting Ruger to build the gun in the early 90's. He'll always praise it. And it's a tank of a snubbie .357 I'm glad he pushed to production.

shanga
03-22-2008, 04:11 AM
I have a sp-101 with a 3 inch in 357. Well--I had one--my gun hating girlfriend took it for her own after I dragged her to the range one day. Grrrrrrrrrr. Anywhoo--like guys said--build like a rock,gives you that "you can bet your life on me" feeling when you hold it. Shoots very nice and probably has the best stock handle .38 specials are really easy to handle even for a girl with light hands and I enjoy shooting 357s through it. If you want a gun that'll outlast you and probably your grandkids --get it.

shep854
03-24-2008, 07:32 AM
I originally bought a shorty SP101 as a woods gun. I shot relatively few .357s, though I had some +P+ .38s ("Treasury Loads"). The SP101 is for me the smallest gun I would put .357s through, though +P .38s in an Airweight Smith wasn't bad.

Sadly, it got stolen a few years ago. Hopefully, it's out there somewhere making bad guys Go Away.

gunfan
03-30-2008, 06:57 PM
I like the idea of the 327 Federal Magnum(as obvious from other posts I've made about it). I don't think I'm going to wait and see. I'll probably get one as soon as I have the $$$$$$. And six shots sounds better than five to me, also.:D
Another good read about it here:
http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-SP101-327.htm

While I love my Charer Arms revolvers (a 1986-vintage 4" barreled, Police Bulldog, and a 2007 "Undecoverette" both chambered for the .32 H&R Magnum cartridge, I would certainly like to try out the .327 Federal Magnum Cartridge in the Freedom Arms "small frame" revolver being manufactured for the Fed. Mag. These have 6.5" barrels and spit the Fed Mag's 115-grain slug across the skyscreens at over 1500 fps! This permits the longish .312" to push well up into .357 S&W Magnum territory! While it may not have the momentum of the .357 S&W Magnum, It should blossom like a daisy in the springtime, providing for fast follow-up shots and retaining sufficient energy transfer to handle varmints (of both two and four-legged variety.)

I woulldn't be so quick to sell this little cartridge short. It is accurate, sufficiently powerful, and also handles 4 different .32 caliber cartridges. What's not to like?

Scott

Clif
04-04-2008, 11:19 AM
I have been quite comfortable carrying and shooting my 3" Ruger GP-101 (.38 Spec. only). It feels as strong as the SP, and the .38 +P+ loads also leave me feeling comfortable. However, I find myself reaching for my Rossi 720 in .44 Spec. as my daily carry weapon. Just something about the big hole in the barrel.

Eric006
04-17-2008, 03:49 PM
The Ruger SP101 .357 mag. (3" barrel) was my first (& only, so far) gun purchase. I wanted something small enough to use for concealed carry, yet stout enough to shoot at the range without beating up my hand. I really like it. (I am toying with the idea of getting a GP100 to serve as its "big brother.")

Eric

Fuelburns1
04-17-2008, 10:22 PM
I have nothing to add except that I have and will continue to trust my life to the SP101. I have a 9mm, .357 magnum and .32 H&R magnum and all three are excellent pistols in almost every way.

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