[threefeathers]

I did LFI II in June and LFI III last week, ot bqack yesterday.
This is a tough course and I will add much later because we did the Kubotan mucho times the last day and I'm still sore. This is a rapid paced practical course.
Here is a pic of Mas teaching one handed carbine shooting.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y119/threefeathers/cid__0919091615LFIIII.jpg

[Popeye]

Eagerly awaiting the rest of your report.

[Sir Knight]

I always wanted to train under him but I could never get time, opportunity & finances to line up.

[lookingforthewayback]

I had the time and money and was scheduled for the LFI I class but decided $800 plus 500 rounds of ammo was just too high and cancelled.
Guy I shoot with has been a state and fed trainer for the last 20 years and he runs me thru drill and different scenarios every week or so.

[meggie]

I know nothing about what is being talked about here, but it sounds like I would be very interested in doing something like this. Problem... I am a complete beginner in this shooting stuff. I just found out yesterday that the whole case, bullet and all didn't go out the tube thingy at the same time. Just kidding... but I am new to this. There's not much that excites me more than the thought of spending two / three days with shooters learning all I can and asking probably continuous dumb questions all day.

Hell, I'd even buy the Bar Round(s) at evening water down!

Can some kind soul point me in the direction to get more information? And what is exactly this LFI course?

TIA: meggie

[lookingforthewayback]

http://www.ayoob.com/lfi-1.html

[twmccloskey]

It is interesting to me the number of experts who will charge big bucks to teach civilians to be gun slinger and "operators." I have seen a few of these courses and their grads, to say I was not impressed does not cover the subject.

I have seen "Doctor Pain" who purported to be some sort of KGB agent who taught police "Instant submission techniques." When he came to our little gym and threw his best technique at me, he was stunned that I stood there looking at him. He decided perhaps this did not work on trained martial artists.

Often these courses are like the wooden karate man used to demonstrate a knife attack. The criminals of the world are not stupid. They want to surprise the folks they are attacking, they move close before they attack. It is on in an instant.

All plans and macho BS go out the window in that instant. That is when the criminal finds out if he has a fight or a wimp on his hands. Can you push somebody determined to grab you away, pull and fire your pistol in about 1.5 seconds?

The best plan for a gun fight goes out the window with the first primer that is dented. At that point you had better be doing without thinking about technique.

If that fight lasts more than 5 seconds, something is real wrong. One hand carbine shooting I assume has to do with continuing the fight after you are shot. Getting shot hurts! In the FBI shoot out in Miami in the 80s an agent with no special training ended the fight after he was shot, using an 870 pump gun. He was determined not to die. Bring your fighting spirit. That FBi fight designed to capture two bank robbers is a long list of things not to do in a gun fight.

From the moment the agent wimped the pursuit interdiction maneuver, the agent who put his model 10 in the seat next to him, who thought the revolver fell under the seat,,it was later found on the seat where he put it. These guys were trained in Glenco Ga at the Federal Firearms center and at Quantico. They started the fight and still got their hat handed to them.

Bring that fighting spirit, under control blood pressure, weight, etc so you can go to surgery, be prepared to be shot or stabbed and keep moving. You will not have time to cross step or think about rap tap bang, you will need to just do it.

In the Dao Ching Lapsa writes "When the master does nothing, nothing is left undone." The phrase "my training took over." is true. It is like watching a fire fight from outside your body, stuff just happens you have no control.

[budroe]

I wonder how well that one-handed stance would work in a combat situation, when someone was shooting back??

[threefeathers]

We did drills simulating being wounded, had to do each arm, each weapon, handgun, carbine, shotgun, transition from carbine to handgun, transition from shotgun to handgun.
This is a pic as he was explaining how to use the carbine while disabled or holding a child. Two of the DOJ SWAT folks at the training had themselves been wounded in the line of duty and they loved this training.
I'll put more pics up tomorrow as I've been assisting the FBI with a case and I'm exhausted tonight.

[twmccloskey]

I've been assisting the FBI with a case and I'm exhausted tonight.

Nobody helps the FBI, they may do the work but the FBI will take credit for the whole thing. Do you know how federal law enforcement works?

If you have a drug problem you call DEA (the USMS does their arrests)

If you have a tax problem you call the IRS (guess who does their arrests)

If you need somebody found and arrested you call the Marshals

If you need a news conference you call the FBI

Tom

[twmccloskey]

We did drills simulating being wounded, had to do each arm, each weapon, handgun, carbine, shotgun, transition from carbine to handgun, transition from shotgun to handgun.
This is a pic as he was explaining how to use the carbine while disabled or holding a child. Two of the DOJ SWAT folks at the training had themselves been wounded in the line of duty and they loved this training.
I'll put more pics up tomorrow as I've been assisting the FBI with a case and I'm exhausted tonight.


DOJ? Who?

You need to be one tough guy to stay in the fight wounded. Gotta wonder about fact checking this group.

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In a town of 2,000 I bet the "Reserve Captain" has a tough time finding felons to arrest.

[threefeathers]

Go to The Firearms Academy of Seattle and see the number of police departments who train there. Yes Ayoob's LFI classes are full of Federal officers and the LFI III classes have a number of more experienced folks. Bullshit on not working with the FBI, this is the third time I've assisted an investigation, the second case with the same agent who is a close personal friend.
I'll be attending Rob Pincus's carbine class with the same folks later this year. There are 5 slots left, feel free to attend.

[threefeathers]

Here is a double speed shotgun drill that has speed reloads as part of the qualification. the shotgun is a Mossberg 930 SPX.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y119/threefeathers/P9190106.jpg

[threefeathers]

Cuffing technique, take to ground and then proper cuffing. Ayoob had a good article on this in the November issue of Guns and Weapons for Law Enforcement.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y119/threefeathers/cid__0920091442aLFIIII.jpg

[twmccloskey]

Its you money, and the man is in the business of seminars, so they will be fun. On his website he does not list ten minutes as a street cop local or federal. I am retired, I have been there and done that. Very often the ideas in seminars change as "students" point out flaws. My comment is this. All plans go out the window with the sound of the first shot.

Standing upright shooting an AR or M-4 with one hand in a real gun fight after being shot bad enough your strong side is disabled? That is a trick I would pay to see. No gun fight develops as planned. Getting shot hurts.

As I said its your money, use caution betting your life.

[threefeathers]

Using the Kubotan as a comealong. I was surprised at how effective this little devil is.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y119/threefeathers/LFIIII-1.jpg

[threefeathers]

On his website he lists much time as a police officer, but here are the other instructors of LFI III, Officer Marty Hays. Officer Jim Lyndell (retired KCPD) who wrote the book on gun retention that you probably studied, Deputy Sheriff Brian Hallaq who is now an attorney.
One of the things we have done is to create The Armed Citizens Defense network, LLc which defends folks (mostly unjustly charged police officers) in self defense shootings. Marty recently appeared for no charge at Larry Hickey's trial in Tucson.
Ayoob is on the board of directors of ILEETA and his experiences as a patrol officer is well documented.
LFI IV will be taught at the Florida State Police training center because the LFI IV students must spend 4 days instructing the candidates in firearms, retention, and kubotan.
There are only 23 LFI IV graduates in the U S and I intend to be one of 8 new ones next year.

[threefeathers]

Using Verticle cover while bracing the handgun for a long shot, 25 meters plus. We fire hand gun at LFI III up to 50 meters. Where I live, along the Mexican Border it may be necessary to take a shot at a distance to protect family or innocent life. A rifle or carbine is of course better but you may not be able to get to one in time. LFI III gives training for the circumstances that are rare but if you haven't tried them the moment of combat is a poor time to start. We spend an entire day doing all drills from a mirror technique, weak hand only.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y119/threefeathers/P9170088.jpg

[rpp]

Using the Kubotan as a comealong. I was surprised at how effective this little devil is.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y119/threefeathers/LFIIII-1.jpg
What is with the guy in the skirt. Do you have to be a cross-dresser to get something out of this course or was he the volunteer target? (You know, sexual predator after your son scenario.)

[threefeathers]

No, the Celtic Games were going on in this area. There were probably 2K Scots and Irish getting ready for the festival. This young man just got back from Iraq and is actually a Police Officer in Oregon so you may know him.

[lookingforthewayback]

Guys we are spending a lot of time knocking training people are giving and taking. There are millions of relatively untrained civilians out here carrying guns. I would much rather they take a class then just learn it by trial and error. If you think their classes are inferior start your own, if you run a good class the people will be beating your door down to take the class. Threefeathers was sharing his experiences from the class, why take a shot at someone in the class because they were wearing a kilt.

[rpp]

No, the Celtic Games were going on in this area. There were probably 2K Scots and Irish getting ready for the festival. This young man just got back from Iraq and is actually a Police Officer in Oregon so you may know him.
Sorry, I was making a joke. I reading what I wrote, I can see where someone would interpret my posts as serious, rather than in jest. Sorry about that. (Yes, I knew he was wearing a kilt.)