[lead]

I still can't believe I did it, but I bought a Glock. I got a NIB model 17 in OD green. I haven't had the chance to take it out yet, my local range is shut down right now for deer season.
I did notice that the spent case that came with it is a CCI Blazer aluminum case. So obviously, they are okay to shoot in them. How about any steel case ammo? MY Rugers can shoot the stuff, can a Glock? I don't have any right now, mostly WWB and Fed. American Eagle ammo. Just wondering in case we get into an ammo pinch again.
The range will open again after Thanksgiving. I hope I can wait that long!

[bluedlightning]

The only thing Glock warns agains shooting in thier firearms is reloaded ammo. Steel should be just fine.

[DWARREN123]

The only thing I would go slow on shooting in a Glock is lead bullets.

[twmccloskey]

A Glock is one of those things with no middle ground, people either love the things or dislike them. One of the difficulties is that it is a full on combat pistol like the Sig Sauers. There is nothing pretty about either of them.

The safety on the trigger is a good idea for a person who has learned to keep their finger off the trigger.

It is lighter than my Sigs and 1911's but no easier to conceal.

I am one of the guys who dislikes Glocks. There is an old cop expression..JDLR means Just don't look right. A Glock just doesn't feel right to me either. But you enjoy the thing.

Tom

[lead]

I have to admit that I never thought much of the looks either. I've always felt like steel and walnut was what it took to make a great gun. But the practical side of me likes them. They are so easy to take down for cleaning. The weight is a plus too.
I think I'll enjoy it. Heck, even R. Lee Ermey has his picture plastered all over their ads now. If it's good enough for Gunny, it's good enough for me.

[budroe]

I've shot steel ammo through my duty glocks in Iraq and Afghanistan. I don't buy it for my personally owned glocks. Someone has to destroy all the ammo recovered from those weapons caches. I've never had a problem with glocks and steel cased ammo.

The glock isn't a pretty gun and not something to show off at the range when you're out with the guys. Over in the zones its the handgun of choice among those who can choose. I don't know of any handgun that holds up as well in a harsh environment. There's no excuse for not cleaning your carry weapon on a regular basis. It is nice to know that in a crisis you can go a long time before cleaning the glock, if that time actually comes. Our security guys have played with a glock for months, shooting thousands of rounds through it without cleaning. The dust over here is like powder, its not sand. It gets into everything. After a couple of days outside a glock looks desert tan instead of black. They still work, all the time. I've pretty much completely switched over to carrying a glock fulltime for a CHL back home. If it will take care of business over here, I think it will handle anything I run into in Texas.

[Huntindoc]

"I Glocked"

I'm Sorry for You.

:P

Seriously, I wish I could get to like them, they just feel so wrong in my hands, I can't get used to them.

[Magnum Force]

I still can't believe I did it, but I bought a Glock. I got a NIB model 17 in OD green. I haven't had the chance to take it out yet, my local range is shut down right now for deer season.
I did notice that the spent case that came with it is a CCI Blazer aluminum case. So obviously, they are okay to shoot in them. How about any steel case ammo? MY Rugers can shoot the stuff, can a Glock? I don't have any right now, mostly WWB and Fed. American Eagle ammo. Just wondering in case we get into an ammo pinch again.
The range will open again after Thanksgiving. I hope I can wait that long!


most any auto will shoot steel cased stuff. is it good to do so? no. the black lacquer on the shells can melt off into your chamber and it's impossible to get it all out. the steel case can also damage extractors/ejectors, or at least wear them out in short order. they can also leave gouges in your chamber walls.


this ammo is made for russian guns with chrome lined barrels/chambers that won't gouge, and also beefed up extractors/ejectors.

blazer aluminum is fine (and surprisingly accurate).

congrats on the purchase :up:....

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[Williamlayton]

I am glad some folks like 'em.
I have bought a lot of guns, folks, ner a Glock.
Blessings

[wilkerson]

blazer aluminum is the only thing that makes my glocks choke. i would avoid it. lead is also not a good idea. other than that they are definitely a solid, but uninspiring, gun.

[Magnum Force]

blazer aluminum is the only thing that makes my glocks choke. i would avoid it. lead is also not a good idea. other than that they are definitely a solid, but uninspiring, gun.


that's unusual, as glock uses blazer aluminum to test fire the guns (both mine came with blazer aluminum shells in the little test fire envelope like the OP's).

i would contact glock, this ammo should work fine in it. maybe there's a feed ramp issue and they need to switch out your barrel.

[DWARREN123]

Some folks like them and some don't. They do what they are suppose to.
Seems most who don't like them do not like the grip or that they are not 1911-A1's.

[wilkerson]

that's unusual, as glock uses blazer aluminum to test fire the guns (both mine came with blazer aluminum shells in the little test fire envelope like the OP's).

i would contact glock, this ammo should work fine in it. maybe there's a feed ramp issue and they need to switch out your barrel.

the issue is that while aluminum will expand on firing much like brass does, aluminum will not contract like brass does so the extractor has a much more difficult time dragging the spent case out of the chamber. in my glock this leads to the extractor ripping through the aluminum rim on occasion. no issues with the gun and glock can get away with testing using aluminum because they are not spending the day at the range with one gun.

[lookingforthewayback]

I don't like them but that is just me. They are reliable and shoot where you point, if you like the look and feel you have a perfect gun. Congrats on the new gun.

[El Comandante]

I'm a revolver guy but when I'm not carrying a revolver,my next choice is a GLOCK...congrats.

[Dennis Foote]

most any auto will shoot steel cased stuff. is it good to do so? no. the black lacquer on the shells can melt off into your chamber and it's impossible to get it all out. the steel case can also damage extractors/ejectors, or at least wear them out in short order. they can also leave gouges in your chamber walls.


this ammo is made for russian guns with chrome lined barrels/chambers that won't gouge, and also beefed up extractors/ejectors.

blazer aluminum is fine (and surprisingly accurate).

congrats on the purchase :up:....



Lead, welcome to the collective.

We are Glock.
Resistance is futile.
You will be assimilated.

[budroe]

You know, since the war in Iraq started we've had over 8K people assigned over here. To come out you have to pass a pistol and M-4 familiarization course. Not a full fledged military grunt course with the rifle, but not bad. The pistol is the glock 19, and everyone starts out wearing the gun concealed from the first morning of class. I'm not sure why the emphasis on concealed carry (everyone carries in the open over here) - assume they are trying to consolidate training for firearms carry worldwide. Probably 3/4 or more of the people who have gone through training have never fired a pistol. Since 2003, when we started coming over here in numbers, we have yet to have an accidental, or negligent discharge. Rounds are accountable, reports have to be filed daily. With all the beaurocrats we have here who would love to file a back-stabbing complaint we have yet to have our first negligent discharge. A ND is grounds for being sent home. I'm sure there are a few people who hate it here and consider an ND as a viable means of a PCS, albeit with negative career implications. I think if you pay attention to business NDs are non-issues. The glock trigger isn't a problem, an idiot holding a glock is. If you don't want to fire the gun, don't press the trigger. If you need to fire a gun over here, you need to fire it in a hurry. Again, with the glock - all you do is press the trigger. Some people like to say the glock is a good option for professional gun handlers. I disagree, I think its a good option for anyone who performs their business (whatever that is) in a professional manner. Cut out the bs and the daydreaming and the glock is safe. You can't beat stupid, and anyone with the attention span of a 3 year old shouldn't be carrying any type of firearm.

[chim]

I never thought I'd own a Glock. For starters, the looks didn't do anything for me. Gimme a Kimber Gold Match, Browning HP, Colt revolver or something else thats easy on the eyes. Real guns aren't supposed to look like a part that fell of of a diesel engine.

Then one day there was a barely-used G26 at a shop that was priced low enough to unload it without getting hurt after it proved to be as disappointing as I suspected it would. So I took a chance.

I couldn't have been more wrong about a gun. It won't show up on the line for a bullseye competition any time soon. It has never had its picture taken for "show and tell". The darn thing does go bang without fail and drills holes right where you want them. I don't see ever wanting to part with it. It's even a fun plinker with the AA conversion.

[Magnum Force]

You know, since the war in Iraq started we've had over 8K people assigned over here. To come out you have to pass a pistol and M-4 familiarization course. Not a full fledged military grunt course with the rifle, but not bad. The pistol is the glock 19, and everyone starts out wearing the gun concealed from the first morning of class. I'm not sure why the emphasis on concealed carry (everyone carries in the open over here) - assume they are trying to consolidate training for firearms carry worldwide. Probably 3/4 or more of the people who have gone through training have never fired a pistol. Since 2003, when we started coming over here in numbers, we have yet to have an accidental, or negligent discharge. Rounds are accountable, reports have to be filed daily. With all the beaurocrats we have here who would love to file a back-stabbing complaint we have yet to have our first negligent discharge. A ND is grounds for being sent home. I'm sure there are a few people who hate it here and consider an ND as a viable means of a PCS, albeit with negative career implications. I think if you pay attention to business NDs are non-issues. The glock trigger isn't a problem, an idiot holding a glock is. If you don't want to fire the gun, don't press the trigger. If you need to fire a gun over here, you need to fire it in a hurry. Again, with the glock - all you do is press the trigger. Some people like to say the glock is a good option for professional gun handlers. I disagree, I think its a good option for anyone who performs their business (whatever that is) in a professional manner. Cut out the bs and the daydreaming and the glock is safe. You can't beat stupid, and anyone with the attention span of a 3 year old shouldn't be carrying any type of firearm.


thanx again for interesting gun info on iraq. :) as i don't personally know anyone else that's over there. stay safe.

[Williamlayton]

First and foremost Budroe is dead on correct.
Armies/agencies make decisions on weapons and they like all to have this simular weapon for many, many obvious reasons.
The glock is a fine weapon--the H&K, The Sig are fine weapons.
Folks, this is not the old west where everbody is an independant agent, responsible for their own weapon.
The folks that count the beans---and they are necessary, wheather we like it or not---require one weapon style and one caliber. This is not special ops, Viet Nam--you carry what they assign.
Is it the best---who asked anyone too ask this question---it is what it is and you would be wise to be as familiar with this weapon as you are with your wife under the sheets ( I do apologize for the crudeness but that is just the way it is).
It will do the job assigned.
I like a couple of other formats better but you can take it to the bank that I would not feel a second class citizen and I would know that weapon.
Blessings

[Oriondk]

Congratulations on the purchase. Let us know how it shoots and how you like it. I recently bought a Glock 21 and it's going to see it's first range session this coming week. Never thought I'd own one, either, but I'm going to give it a shot, so to speak.:D

[gunfan]

While on Armed Security Patrol, I carried a Glock Model 20. I wanted REAL "stopping power" (provided by full-power 10mm Auto ammunition.)

The pistol is dead-nuts reliable and would work under adverse conditions. (This is an absolute MUST under ANY "service" circumstances!) The Glock was the only 10mm Auto that possessed these intrinsic attributes when I was in the market for my "service pistol."

Scott

[john]

got to luv it. it aint purdy. it just works /everytime/.
the 27 is my ccw. i like the 1911, but the glock is a tool.
when ya need it its gonna work.:up::up::up:

[Joe B.]

I fake Glocked. I bought a S&W Sigma at cost. :tiphat::bolt:

[Dframe]

"glocked?" Did you excuse yourself?

[threefeathers]

I did also. I've been carrying my G 32C in a Desantis Scorpion IWB for the past 2 weeks. I did my drills with it before I did so.

[Joe B.]

"glocked?" Did you excuse yourself?I think it is more imprtatnt to wash your hands afterward. :psycho:

[Williamlayton]

I am--truely--happy for those who Glocked. (notice,,,not a slur here:)).
However it seems to me that the main reason that folks Glock is, in reality, price.
Now that is OK. Glocks are renown for reliability.
If reliability is the only issue, you guys are on target.
I think---just me think--that there are BETTER formats out there. They have better triggers, better accuracy, better reliability and more options than Glocks.
I dislike the Glock system/platform. I am willing to pay more to get a better, all around, platform.
Sigs are my platform of choice too compete with Glocks--and outdo them.
The 1911, IMHO, CAN BE a better platform with just as much reliability as Glocks--and much better triggers and accuracy.
No slam ment here, Just my opinion---and I am willing to pay for it.
Blessings

[budroe]

Bill, no slam taken. If we old guys don't have an opinion, live ain't worth living. I would say that since 9/11 (and somewhat before) I've carried a glock 19 almost daily for 12-18 hours. I have found the need to use mine a number of times in less than ideal circumstances when more than money was on the line. Until the last few years I could carry pretty much any handgun I wanted. I almost wore out my favorite Colt Commander carrying it to more than a few strange places. I started carrying a glock back sometime in 2003, I had previously carried a high power, a sig 229, and a couple of times a S&W 66. There may be more reliable guns, but between range time and field use I've fired at least 20K rounds through a glock 19 (I've been issued at least a dozen of them) in different times and places. So far, I've never had a FTF of any kind - maybe I've just been lucky, if that's so - I hope my luck holds for another 9 or 10 months. I don't coddle my weapons but do try to keep them clean. I had 2 or 3 ftf's with the SIG 229 in the six months or so I carried it, never at a bad time thankfully. Never had a problem with the highpower, and my 3" model 66 always worked and got me through a couple of bad spots. I've had pistols I thought were a bit more accurate (target range accurate) than the 19; but in real life I'd rate the 19 as accurate as any gun I've used. Maybe I just shake a bit using any gun when I'm the least bit scared. My Commander has a much better trigger than the glock (again, on the target range). When its for real, I've never noticed a problem with the glock trigger. It really loses that cap pistol feel when you're using it for real. I don't doubt there are pistols that can be made as reliable as the glock, but from my limited perspective (which is only as relates to my personal use) nothing has proven to be more reliable, and most have proven to be less reliable. If I had a new Commander (in .45acp) I felt was as reliable as my personal gun I would be tempted to carry it. Otherwise, regardless of the handguns I've been offered, I'm staying with the glock for work, and as bad as it frowned on by the old guys in Texas I've even taken to carrying one back home.

[Oriondk]

I am--truely--happy for those who Glocked. (notice,,,not a slur here:)).
However it seems to me that the main reason that folks Glock is, in reality, price.
Now that is OK. Glocks are renown for reliability.
If reliability is the only issue, you guys are on target.
I think---just me think--that there are BETTER formats out there. They have better triggers, better accuracy, better reliability and more options than Glocks.
I dislike the Glock system/platform. I am willing to pay more to get a better, all around, platform.
Sigs are my platform of choice too compete with Glocks--and outdo them.
The 1911, IMHO, CAN BE a better platform with just as much reliability as Glocks--and much better triggers and accuracy.
No slam ment here, Just my opinion---and I am willing to pay for it.
Blessings

I agree with most of what you say, but if there's a more reliable pistol than the Glock I don't know what it is. Maybe as reliable.
I have went through a few auto's and shot a few in the last few years. I would love to own a Dan Wesson, but at present don't have the money for one. The last pistol I had, that I sold, was a West German Sig220. I had really high hopes for it, but honestly, didn't like the trigger much at all. Also, even from a sandbag rest, the accuracy was nowhere near what I expected. When I bought the Glock 21 last month, one of the big selling points to me, besides price, was the light rail. Since my eyesight, at age 63, is not the best I wanted a gun on which I could mount a flashlight and laser, and the Glock fills the bill. I will be shooting it tomorrow for the first time and will post a report on it's reliability and accuracy. I really prefer revolvers, but like to have one auto for the house. Of course I will eventually get a Dan Wesson, but the Glock, depending on it's performance tomorrow, will be my main house gun.

[Williamlayton]

Budroe's excuse is acceptable---I will forgive him.
Well, it is not a matter of me forgiving anyone is it?
If we all fell in love with the same woman it would be a hell of a fistfight----and, well, I would still be single.
Interesting about the Sig--- my experiece with the 239 and 220 I own are flawless. That is from a civilian range situation though.
I would certaily accept a fire in the hole opinion.
I clean my Sigs, that I carry, after each fireing at the range--in between times it may be months. I generally just shoot what is in the mag to clean it out and continue on with whatever I am shooting. This is true of all the weapons I carry, which is not always the Sig's.
All that ever happened to me was a little bit more fire and smoke on the first round--from the lint and dirt.
Blessings

[Nes]

I have never shot one yet. Will the first chance I get.

[budroe]

Bill -Thanks stud, I need all the forgiveness and apologists I can get!!!! :D:D

I had a SIG 220 that was as accurate as any 1911 I've owned, and as reliable as any pistol I've used. Unfortunately, I have this Mormon buddy from Utah who felt he was called to own it. I tried to argue with him, but finally the dirty skunk played the friendship card on me, and I had to give it up. While he's used pistols at work (and is as sure as death and taxes with any gun) my SIG was the first auto he's owned. For his personal use he's always been a Python man. I may pick up another 220 one of these days, if the price is right. As I'm getting towards retirement age myself, I'm becoming more and more inclined to grab up a revolver for my personal use.

[Williamlayton]

Good conversation.
I just don't care for revolvers or their platforms. I KNOW. I KNOW. I am just old and slow and hardheaded.:KMDO::lol::NO::BABY::OHNO::shame::doom::duh::bonk:
Blessings

[Oriondk]

Budroe, I really had high expectations for the Sig. Everything I have read about them point to them being very accurate, especially the 220. I was getting 3 and 4 inch groups at 15 yards from a sandbag, and I know I'm a better shot then that. Maybe I just wasn't used to the trigger, or maybe I just had a bad one, or maybe I was having a bad day.

[bluedlightning]

I don't think I have a friend that I would sell my Sig 220 too. Might will it to him after I'm gone but the Sig is MINE! :lol:

[eljay]

I still can't believe I did it, but I bought a Glock. I got a NIB model 17 in OD green. I haven't had the chance to take it out yet, my local range is shut down right now for deer season.
I did notice that the spent case that came with it is a CCI Blazer aluminum case. So obviously, they are okay to shoot in them. How about any steel case ammo? MY Rugers can shoot the stuff, can a Glock? I don't have any right now, mostly WWB and Fed. American Eagle ammo. Just wondering in case we get into an ammo pinch again.
The range will open again after Thanksgiving. I hope I can wait that long!
Well...been gone from the forum for a while, see that nothing's changed.

Hope you like the Glock. I have two, my wife one, and we've been carrying and practicing with them since 1997. Never had a failure to feed or fire. They hit what we point them at. Not pretty, but functional in spades. So I say, use it in good faith, and like its looks or not...it gets the job done.

Now the rest of y'all can carry on...I'm back outta here.

David

[budroe]

At 15 yards I could shot one hole groups from my 220. It always worked fine for me. The only problem I have with a SIG is that they seem to sit "high" in your hand. This is probably more of a perception that a real issue as I've never had a problem shooting well with any SIG I've owned. They just don't feel quite "right". The glock sits lower in my hand (similar to the 1911) and just "feels" better to me.

[Oriondk]

At 15 yards I could shot one hole groups from my 220. It always worked fine for me. The only problem I have with a SIG is that they seem to sit "high" in your hand. This is probably more of a perception that a real issue as I've never had a problem shooting well with any SIG I've owned. They just don't feel quite "right". The glock sits lower in my hand (similar to the 1911) and just "feels" better to me.

I didn't expect one hole groups but figured I should be able to keep them around two inches or less at 15 yards. Oh well, it's a moot point now.:D
Didn't get to the range today with the Glock, but will go next weekend.