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#41 |
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Location: Vancouver, WA.
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Gentlemen:
While I haven't the time to transcribe the George Nonte article concerning the .32 S&W Long "gallery" loads (not .32 S&W) I would like to provide a brief highlight. In short, these are #0 Buckshot finger-pressed into .32 S&W Long cases with a light charge of Bullseye propellant behind it. These are splendid short range loads that will readily stop an enraged field mouse in full charge. They are also handy for relatively inexpensive target practice at ranges up to fifty feet.
Later, Scott |
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??? A run at Ruger's website shows only the SP101 in .327 Mag. I'd love to see the Single Six in that chambering.
Jim Fox |
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I don't know about the two from Ruger.
I only know that when the discontinued "Single-Six" in .32 H&R Magnum has its chambers relieved to accept the .327 Federal Magnum cartridge there are no troubles with either the revolver OR the load! (BTW, Charter Arms has TWO revolvers chambered for the .327 Fed. Mag.. Both are named the Patriot; one has a 2.2" barrel, the other a 4" barrel.
I'll continue with a rather lengthy quote from George Nonte's article in HANDLOADER Magazine (January-February 1974) approriately named, "Those Unloved .32's" I'll begin on page 37 when he writes: "But the load that is really cheap fun is the old round-ball load in that H&R Bobby in the woods of Southern Illinois in the middle of the 1940's. It can be assembled without dies, without moulds, without lubricator-sizer - In fact, without any handloading tools or accesories whatever. At the time I aquired the H&R, I was temporarily without any loading gear and mighty short of funds. With the gun I got one box of mid-range wadcutters which I promptly shot up and proceeded to look for a way to reprime the cases. The traditional filed-down nailserved to punch out the old primenrs and tapping the decapped cases down over the fresh primers laid face up on a hard, smooth counter top handled the repriming problem nicely until I managed to aquire a Lyman tong tool. Primers were laid face up on the counter top, and a close-fitting aluminum rod was slipped into the mouth of each case in turn and a mallet applied gently to its upper end to seat the primers. A charge cup made from a fired 22 LR case filed down to hold 1.0 grains of Bullseye was fitted with a wire handle and charges were dipped from a coffee cup half-filled with Bullseye. Bullets were "0" buckshot thumped into the chamfered case mouth and seated flush by tapping themin their full depth with a plastic mallet. Following that, a finger dab of waterpump grease was smeared over the ball, partially filling the gap between the case mouth and the sphere. With this load, the cases hardly ever need resizing, and loading is so simple it stinks. Cases last virtually forever if you dont get clumsy and step on them, and even at today's (1974) prices, cost per shot is less than one cent if you're buying your prices reasonably right. I use this particular load regularly in my two-inch Hand Ejector, shooting in my office at a range of 20 to 25 feet. A stack of old magazines is adequate as a backstop for the slow-moving round balls. I don't know how fast the ball travels, but it really doesn't matter - it does its job. All the same, this load must not be considered a harmless toy. Over the years it has killed scores of small game, and will punch easily through one-inch pine boards. It is definitely a lethal combination and must be considered as such. In this impromptu in-office shooting, it can be relied upon to produce neat quarter-sized clisters fropm the little two-inch gun if I'm paying proper attention to the game at hand. About the only disadvantage it possesses for such close-range shooting is that occasionally it sprayes particles of grease downrange. The old waterpump grease I used a quarter of a century ago should be replaced under those circumstances by a dab of Lyman or other bullet lubricant. Incidentally, in these space-age days, waterpump grease which was once so readily available and so widely used by handloaders is virtually impossible to obtain in most communities. Instead, sneak into the kitchen and borrow a small can of Crisco or other vegetable shortening when mama isn't looking. It works just as well and is readily available. It, too, shares the proclivity of waterpump grease for occasionally making a smeary mess downrange, so I'd suggest sticking with conventional bullet lube if you're going to be shooting in the living room. I caught all kinds of particular hell for shooing about a hundred rounds from a .36 percussion revolver lubricated with Crisco in the abouve fashion in my office. The place not only stank to high heaven, but everything downrange from the firing point was thinly coated with grease and black powder fouling. It took days to discover it all and get it cleaned off." I hope that you enjoyed the information provided by Mr. Nonte and his .32 "gallery" loads. I cannot be held responsible for the use/misuse of this information. This was just part of an article that I really enjoyed and, personally found quite useful. Good shootin' Scott Last edited by gunfan; 11-04-2009 at 06:16 PM.. |
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As it stated in the old Alka-Seltzer commercials... "Try it, you'll like it"! Scott |
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I want a K-Frame---I have been watching the others and they seem lacking as far as my taste for revolvers is concerned.
I have an OLD K-frame in a .22 that I love---but it was an Uncles gun and I won't touch it. Your post did give me insight at a purchase of a old .32 and go your route---it is the finding that takes work. I am enjoying the read. Blessings |
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Hello William Another Option is to find an Old Model 15 .38 Special revolver that has adjustable sights all ready as a .32 Adjustable sighted revolver would have to be a K-32 and they are very pricey. A stainless .22 Model 617 cylinder and Barrel would work for a conversion just have Bowen Mill off the Under Lug, or Leave it on and have a Pinto 4" Modified Model 16-4..He will Punch the .22 Barrel to .32 Caliber along with the cylinder and fit them to the gun... Hammerdown "Yeah, though I walk through the Valley of the Shadow of Death, ... I shall Fear no Evil, as I carry with me My Loaded S&W".. |
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Hard to find just what one would want.
I'd like a j-frame, but with a 5 inch mostly underlugged barrel, and all steel. - Or a Ruger Single Six - maybe with 5 chambers instead of six, if that is what it takes for the pressure. If it were an option, I'd like a .327 Mag on a Diamondback frame with a 6 inch barrel. I'd think that was just about ideal. But I don't see Colt (Or anyone else) putting that on the market.I think we have a new round - with great potential - that is suffering from neglect because we have had a buyer's market for anything that is currently produced for low this last year. My guess is that the .327 Mag may well be killed by Mr. Obama's election. Jim Fox |
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The handgun world would fall in love with the "little" .32 caliber all over again... over a century later! Scott |
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Jim:
If you don't want to buy another cylinder for your Single-Six, either Freedom Arms or Hamilton Bowen will build what you want at a price that may seem outrageous, but FA's revolver can be had for as little as $1370.00. Ammunition runs a little slower than it would from a recylindered Single-Six. If it were MY revolver, I would simply get another cylinder for your Single-Six and have it indexed and chambered for the newer cartridge. If your Single-Six has a 6.5" barrel, you're in for a real treat! When if comes to both velocity and energy, the .327 Fed. Mag will "beat the pants" off of an identical revolver chambered for the 9mm Luger.
A properly indexed and rechambed cylinder would be an inexpensive venture into the high-speed world of the .327 Fed, without the expense of purchasing an entirely new revolver. If you decided that you don't want the new chambering, simply reinstall the original cylinder and put the .327 cylinder into "storage". No harm, no foul. Scott |
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.327 Federal (6 shot) 4¼", 5½", 7½", 10" The ten inch barrel should handle any hunting chores.
Life's too mysterious, don't take it serious. Dave "Those that hammer their guns into plows, will plow for those that do not" ~ Thomas Jefferson
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Hey Jim There is a 6" K-Frame 32-20 on The Blue forum right now. It would be a super easy conversion. Bowen can add a set of adjustable sights for you as well... Hammerdown http://smith-wessonforum.com/guns-sa...ck-sold-4.html "Yeah, though I walk through the Valley of the Shadow of Death, ... I shall Fear no Evil, as I carry with me My Loaded S&W".. |
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If the existing Single Six cylinder can take the increased pressure.
Jim Fox |
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For the money, a re-chambered cylinder is the best bet for the money. I repeat, IT WILL HANDLE THE INCREASED PRESSURES. Scott |
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Jim, here's the article:
Two Custom .327 Federal Ruger Single Six Revolvers From Bowen Classic Arms by Jeff Quinn photography by Jeff Quinn & Boge Quinn November 30th, 2008 It has been right at a year since I reviewed the first handgun chambered for the .327 Federal cartridge. Ruger introduced the new cartridge to the world in their compact SP101 double action revolver. The SP101 is a tough little weapon, mostly encountered in the five-shot .357 Magnum version, but it wears a six-shot cylinder when chambered for the .327 Federal. While there was a lot of “what’s it for?” conversation on the internet before the little .327 started shipping to dealers, the revolver has been well-accepted, and supply of .327 Federal ammunition still has yet to meet demand. A few weeks after the SP101 review, I had the opportunity to also review the Freedom Arms Model 97 .32 H&R Magnum revolver that had been fitted with an extra cylinder chambered for the .327 Federal, along with a custom Single Six from Single Action Service. In each of those earlier reviews, I went in depth regarding the cartridge and handloading, and will not get into that again here, concentrating upon the two custom sixguns instead. Hamilton Bowen is highly regarded among the elite true custom gunsmiths in the US, and is respected as the “best of the best” among many shooters who use his skills to build their finest revolvers. Hamilton Bowen builds highly useful works of art, as well as plain and rugged, but highly accurate hunting guns. These two Single Six revolvers shown here highlight Mr. Bowen’s skill at crafting elegant working guns that are also aesthetically pleasing, exceedingly accurate, and very useful hunting revolvers. When the .327 Federal was first introduced in the SP101, it was, and appropriately still is, marketed as a defensive handgun. However, when I first saw the little cartridge, I regarded it as everything that the .32 H&R Magnum should have been; a dandy little cartridge for small game and varmint hunting, akin to the .32-20 of a century ago, but with more power and better accuracy. There is no handgun better suited for this cartridge than the Ruger Single Six. In its factory .22 rimfire version, and also in the .32 H&R magnum Single Six, the cylinder is too short to house as a .327 Federal. A longer cylinder is needed, which seems like a natural to me, and to many others. However, Ruger has yet to introduce the .327 Federal into their Single Six, so it has been left to custom gunsmiths to do so. These two Ruger Single Six revolvers from Hamilton Bowen are as perfect as any Single Six that I have ever seen. Both are chambered for the .327 Federal cartridge and have custom cylinders of 1.4965 inches in length, which is almost one-tenth inch longer than the factory .32 H&R Magnum Single Six cylinder. The case heads are countersunk on the Bowen cylinders, and the cylinder almost fills the cylinder window in the frame entirely, which, in addition to accommodating the longer .327 Federal cartridge, looks a lot better as well. The custom Bowen cylinders are radiused at the front, commonly called a black powder chamfer, and the barrel/cylinder gaps are very tight. Both revolvers wear a target version of the Bowen Rough Country rear sight, and are fully adjustable. The Bowen Single Sixes wear steel XR3 Flattop grip frames and Bisley hammers. The hammers, frames, and loading gates have been case colored by Doug Turnbull. The rest of the steel is polished blue, and the grips are Ruger New Model Flattop grip panels. Both sixguns wear fitted oversize locking base pins. The hammer and trigger pins on one of the revolvers have been given a screw-look, and another added, to make the New Model frame resemble a three-screw Old Model Ruger or Colt Single Action frame. Interesting touch. That revolver wears a seven and one-half inch barrel, and should prove to be a dandy little varmint gun. The other sixgun of the pair is my personal favorite, and is one of the best-looking sixguns that I have ever held in my hands! Everything about that little revolver is, for lack of a better word, balanced. It just looks “right”, and handles as a sixgun should. This trim little revolver is fitted with a Smith & Wesson K22 barrel that has been bored and rifled to .32 caliber by Delta Gun Shop. The K22 barrel wears a full-length rib, and measures 4.473 inches in length. I have never seen a more beautiful, perfectly executed Single Six. At the bottom of the grip frame is a Bowen lanyard ring, adding to both the looks and practicality of this little sixgun. Shooting the Bowen Classic Arms Single Sixes was a delight. Both proved to be exceedingly accurate in offhand shooting at targets of several varieties, including paper, swinging steel, and rocks, sticks and stumps. I clamped the long-barreled sixgun into my Ransom Master Rest for accuracy testing, and it exhibited target grade accuracy with the American Eagle factory loads, grouping into less than one inch at twenty-five yards, every time, all day long. The accuracy of the Federal hollowpoints was excellent as well, but not hardly as accurate as the American Eagle ammo. I did not place the short-barreled Single Six into the Ransom Rest, as to do so I would have had to remove the roll pin that holds the lanyard ring and swivel in place. I was not willing to risk scratching this little sixgun removing that pin, as the gun does not belong to me. However, from informal plinking and shooting over an improvised rest, the short-barreled sixgun seems to be just as accurate as its brother. Shooting the two factory loads that I had on hand, the American Eagle 100 grain softpoint clocked 1667 feet-per-second (fps) from the seven and one-half inch gun, and 1574 fps from the shorter gun. The Federal Hydra-Shock 85 grain load clocked 1600 fps and 1574, from the long and short barrels, respectively. All chronograph readings were taken at an elevation of approximately six hundred feet, with an air temperature of forty-five degrees Fahrenheit. The chronograph was set at ten feet from the muzzle. Both revolvers have honed actions, and the trigger pulls on the long and short Bowen Single Sixes measured two pounds, eight ounces and two pounds, two ounces, respectively. Being built on the Single Six frames, these two revolvers are perfectly sized to the .327 federal cartridge, and either would carry well in the field. With all-steel construction, the longer revolver weighs in at thirty-seven ounces, and the shorter gun is three ounces lighter. While both are handy enough for carrying afield, the shorter of the pair could very well be the ideal trail gun to carry in country where large bears are not a concern. With it’s flat-shooting, efficient cartridge, this handgun is perfectly sized for packing while having ample power for harvesting small game, and taking vermin and predators at a considerable distance. If you have a hankering for a Single Six chambered for the .327 Federal cartridge, Hamilton Bowen can build for you a revolver just like one of these, or with whatever modifications you like. I think that with these two, Hamilton got it right. The combination of the XR3 grip with the Bisley hammer, make the guns easy to handle, and balance well. The Rough Country sights are easy to see, and easy to adjust to suit your load and shooting style. The Turnbull case colors are beautifully executed, and that ribbed K22 barrel and lanyard ring add a real touch of class to that short-barreled sixgun. Bowen does it right, and I highly recommend his work. For a look at Hamilton Bowen’s other work, and to get information to have him build your perfect sixgun, go to www.bowenclassicarms.com. You never regret buying the best. Jeff Quinn |
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Scott - Thanks for the information. Going back over it, plus his earlier review of a Freedom Arms .327 Mag and a Alan Harton Ruger Single Six conversion, I confirmed my recollection that the cylinders used were longer than the standard cylinder in the .32 H&R Single Six.
It would appear that I could restrict my bullet choices and seating options and use a standard Ruger .32 H&R cylinder reamed to accomodate the extra 1/8th of an inch cartridge length or spring for a new cylinder and a bit of metal work on the rear of the barrel. My other option, at this time, is to find the strongest brass in .32 H&R and load that round as it should have been. I have a sneaky suspicion that I could get reasonably close to the .327 Mag performance. Jim Fox |
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Jim - I think that your best bet is to purchase a new cylinder and have it chambered for the .327 Federal Magnum cartridge (and marked as such). Once this has been accomplished, your fondest .32 claiber dreams will have come true... pemanently! There will be no need for any other work. The longer cylinder will permit you to seat the longest projectiles (115-120 grain) to their maximum length, thus allowing the maximum utility of the .327's case capacity.
Scott |
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