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Old 11-04-2009, 12:18 AM   #1
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Bullets are speeding faster out of gun shops in U.S.

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A SHORTAGE OF AMMUNITION
Demand is up despite drop in crime rate

By David A. Fahrenthold and Fredrick Kunkle
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, November 3, 2009



In a year of job losses, foreclosures and bag lunches, Americans have spent record-breaking amounts of money on guns and ammunition. The most obvious sign of their demand: empty ammunition shelves.
At points during the past year, bullets have been selling faster than factories could make them.

Gun owners have bought about 12 billion rounds of ammunition in the past year, industry officials estimate. That's up from 7 billion to 10 billion in a normal year.

It has happened, oddly, at a time when the two concerns that usually make people buy guns and bullets -- crime and increased gun control -- seem less threatening than usual.

The explanation for the run on bullets lies partly in economics: Once rounds were scarce, people hoarded them, which made them scarcer.

But the rush for bullets, like this year's increase in gun sales, also says something about how suspicious the two sides in the gun-control debate are of each other, even at a time when the issue is on Washington's back burner.

The run started, observers say, as people heeded warnings from the gun-rights lobby that a new Democratic administration would make bullets more expensive or harder to get. Now that the shortage is starting to ease, gun-control groups are voicing their own dark worries about stockpiled ammunition.

In between, in the 12 months since last October, gun shops sold enough bullets to give every American 38 of them.

"We've had people buy ammunition for calibers they don't even have the gun for: 'Oh, I want to get this gun eventually. And when I get it, ammunition may be hard to get,' " said Michael Tenny, who runs a Fort Worth-based Internet sporting goods store called Cheaper Than Dirt.

Tenny said some of his ammunition tripled in price, but he still sold it: "It's just like playoff tickets."

The Obama factor
It was already a political truism that Democrats prompt sales of both guns and ammo. The U.S. government taxes both to support wildlife conservation, and those receipts jumped after Bill Clinton was elected in 1992 and after Democrats retook Congress in 2006.

But the spike under Obama seems to be on a different scale: The receipts are on pace to set a record in 2009, according to Treasury Department data, with tax revenue due from guns up 42 percent and revenue due from ammunition at 49 percent. Recently, analysts have said earnings reports from gunmakers seem to show demand for weapons slackening.

The increase in gun buying during the past year explains a large part of the increase in ammunition sales to the private market, experts on the industry say -- but probably not all of it.

They say that bullets were bought not just by new gun owners but also by those who already owned weapons. And they say bullet sales might have increased even faster if supply had kept up with demand.

Bullet makers say the reasons for these shortages include the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, which have made bullet components such as copper and brass more expensive.

For gun owners in the Washington area and elsewhere, the run on ammunition has created shortages and price increases on everything from cheap .22-caliber bullets used for target shooting to the expensive hollow-point 9mm rounds bought for home defense.

In Maryland and Virginia, as in many states, anyone over 21 can buy an unlimited amount of ammunition without a special license or background check. The District has tighter rules for its one licensed ammunition dealer: Gun owners can buy bullets only in the same caliber as their registered guns.

Reason for alarm?
The high sales have alarmed some anti-gun groups. Josh Sugarmann of the Violence Policy Center said he worries about a revival of the anti-government militia movement of the Clinton era.

"This is a pattern that is repeating itself, and it is a pattern that has tremendous risk attached to it," Sugarmann said.

But gun-rights groups say the buyers are law-abiding, and responding to legitimate concerns.

"I think it's Katrina. I think it's terrorism. I think it's crime. And I also think that it's people worrying about [whether] they'll be attacked by politicians," said Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association. "They're suspicious, and justifiably so."

But the most recent FBI crime statistics, from 2008, showed that rates of violent crime were the lowest since 1989. The numbers for this year have not been assembled yet, but police groups say violent crime still appears to be down, although there may have been an uptick in property crimes.

As for gun control, experts say that far from being under attack, groups opposed to it have won a remarkable string of victories. Clinton's ban on assault weapons expired in 2004. The U.S. Supreme Court struck down the District's restrictions on handguns, ruling that the Second Amendment creates an individual right to gun ownership.

Under Obama, the White House has said it wants to stop the illegal flow of U.S. guns to Mexican drug cartels, and it directed Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. to review the way current gun laws are being enforced.

But a spokesman said that "the president respects and supports the Second Amendment and the tradition of gun ownership in this country." In the biggest gun-related debate of his tenure, Obama sided with gun groups, signing a bill to loosen the rules on firearms in national parks.

Still, in interviews with gun owners and ammunition dealers, many said the run on bullets was sparked by worries about what Obama might do.

"It was just logical, based on his record as a state senator and his record in the U.S. Senate," Dave Sugg, 37, a consultant in Ashburn, said after taking target practice with a .22-caliber semi-automatic Ruger rifle at a shooting range.

Research director Lucy Shackelford contributed to this report.


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Old 11-04-2009, 03:08 AM   #2
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A self inflicted wound by gun owners because we were afraid of the big bad wolf that had just won an election.


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A self inflicted wound by gun owners because we were afraid of the big bad wolf that had just won an election.
Still AFRAID and getting more concerned and afraid with each months passing.

Just look at all the people that the Pres' has surrounded himself with! There's not a one of them that gives a flying hoot about OUR rights to own, carry, and maintain a firearm(s). Push come to shove, I believe Obama would strike down OUR rights at a drop of a hat. Especially, the right to guns.

By simply raising the taxes on Bullets, Powder, and Primers, and putting pressure on firearm / ammunition manufacturers with higher taxes will make it less and less a profitable enterprise. While all along making it more expensive to get and maintain permits / licenses.

Afraid? Absolutely!


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Reason for alarm?
The high sales have alarmed some anti-gun groups. Josh Sugarmann of the Violence Policy Center said he worries about a revival of the anti-government militia movement of the Clinton era.


someone should tell mr.sugarmann that WE are the government.....there is no government versus the people....


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someone should tell mr.sugarmann that WE are the government.....there is no government versus the people....
Very Well Said!


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I've "heard" that shortages are coming soon that are going to be worse than this past summer. I'm buying a few boxes with each pay check.


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  2. "The great body of our citizens shoot less as times goes on. We should encourage firearms practice among schoolchildren, and indeed among all, by every means in our power. Thus, and not otherwise, may we be able to assist in preserving peace. The first step ... in the direction of preparation to avert war if possible, and to be fit for war if it should come -- is to teach our citizens to shoot!" — President Theodore Roosevelt.

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I've "heard" that shortages are coming soon that are going to be worse than this past summer. I'm buying a few boxes with each pay check.
I hope that rumor is wrong, but we'll see. I don't have near as much centerfire stuff as I'd like and I'm trying to stretch it by using .22 LR for most of my practice. 50 to 100 rounds of .22 for every magazine of centerfire. Bulk .22 LR has been (mostly) available - if you're not too, too picky as to brand. Although one doesn't see the great prices on any of it any more.


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"But a spokesman said that "the president respects and supports the Second Amendment and the tradition of gun ownership in this country." In the biggest gun-related debate of his tenure, Obama sided with gun groups, signing a bill to loosen the rules on firearms in national parks"

Lets hope!

My wife and I stoped in the local farm supply to get some gloves. Unknown to me they had just got a shipment of handgun rounds, say 2000 rounds of each caliber. The shelves have been dry lately. So I was loading up the basket with 300 rounds of some .45auto. 100rds .380auto. and 200rds .38spl. spending about a hunderd bucks. But I forgot... My wife... I was lucky enuf to get out of the store with a box of .45auto.
But got home tonight and going back to the store tomorrow, alone.


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I hope that rumor is wrong, but we'll see.
Don't know but I sell guns & ammo and this is what my distributors are telling me. Not sure if it is just a ploy to get me to order more ammo or if they are giving me a heads up.


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  2. "The great body of our citizens shoot less as times goes on. We should encourage firearms practice among schoolchildren, and indeed among all, by every means in our power. Thus, and not otherwise, may we be able to assist in preserving peace. The first step ... in the direction of preparation to avert war if possible, and to be fit for war if it should come -- is to teach our citizens to shoot!" — President Theodore Roosevelt.

  3. "No president should fear public scrutiny of his program, for from that scrutiny comes understanding and from that understanding come support or opposition. Without debate, without criticism, no administration and no country can succeed and no republic can survive." -- President John F. Kennedy.

  4. "You won't get gun control by disarming law-abiding citizens. There's only one way to get real gun control: disarm the thugs and the criminals, lock them up, and if you don't actually throw away the key, at least lose it for a long time. It's a nasty truth, but as long as there are guns, the individual that wants a gun for a crime is going to have one and going to get it. The only person who’s going to be penalized [with gun control] and have difficulty is the law-abiding citizen, who then cannot have [it] if he wants protection." -- President Ronald Reagan.
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Don't know but I sell guns & ammo and this is what my distributors are telling me. Not sure if it is just a ploy to get me to order more ammo or if they are giving me a heads up.
From what I hear all the ammo and gun manufacturers are back ordered well into next year. Next year is an election year and Heaven knows what the prospects will look like in mid-summer - and what the electorate will think of those prospects.

I expect your distributors are doing a little of both.

If I can lay in a few of one center fire round or another during the next few months I will. But I definately will lay in more than one case of .22 LR.

Luckly I have a decent supply of serious social rounds. I don't have a lot, but since I don't expect to be engaged in numerous running gun battles, they should last me.

I have pretty much settled on my carry guns, know what they work best with, and have a few rounds of that set back for each gun. For practice I try to use less costly, but comparable, full power rounds, and therefore use relatively little of the expensive stuff. I ain't poor, but I am low enough on the economic scale that sending 50 rounds down range at $1.50 or better a pop would get my attention.

Do love those .22 equivalents and those .22 conversion kits.


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"But a spokesman said that "the president respects and supports the Second Amendment and the tradition of gun ownership in this country." In the biggest gun-related debate of his tenure, Obama sided with gun groups, signing a bill to loosen the rules on firearms in national parks"

Obama signed that because it was attached to a bill he wanted and he wasn't going to veto his bill to kill that.


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